Talk:Bat and trap

Is this game identical to Knur and spell? If so their articles should be merged> Ben Finn 23:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Not quite identical I think. When I played Bat and Trap (30 years ago) we used a small trap that was a simple lever, more or less a wooden spoon on a fulcrum. The ball was soft (we may have used tennis balls) and the bat was like a very small cricket bat - children could easily use it one-handed.

The description of Knurr and Spell sounds like a faster larger-scale game altogether.

KenBrown 11:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC) KenBrown

Knur and spell (also known as knurr and spell, pot knocking, or poor mans golf) is a very different set up, I know more about this game than bat and trap but reading though the article there are a few differences firstly scale Knur and spell was played on a field where the objective was to hit the Knurr as far as possible, it is claimed that Fred Moore’s score of 18 scores (one score = twenty paces or yards), using a wooden knur, in Halifax in 1899 remains the record. It certainly beats Fred Lenthal’s more recent record of 293 yards in winning the World Championship at Elland in the early 1970s. (ref yorkshire film archive) another difference is the use of a gallows type contraption referred to as a ‘pin’

One of the problems with this game is there wasn't a strict set of rules so it was subject to regional variations, it was mainly played in West Yorkshire which is where most of the terms I use come from. one of the best bits of documentation i have seen about the sport is this OWER BIT BOG OIL (1963-1964)

living up in yorkshire there is quite a bit of the old equipment in the various regional museums though you don't see much of it online. I am currently doing some more research in to the subject so I would happily pull together an article if you would like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tranzientwez (talk • contribs) 14:26, 12 December 2010 (UTC)