Talk:Batbayan

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The purpose of this story is total misinforming of its reader. --Shisharki 07:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Moved unsourced from article
The whole bit appears to be derived from Djagfar tarikhy. It is not mentioned in any source I know of. Nor is the "Bulgarian Legend of the Silver Stag", probably another hoax. --91.148.159.4 14:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Batbayan was left with the Kara Bulgar and Bulyar princedom and the Baltavar title and had to renounce the title Khagan, thus effectively making him a subject of the Khazars. Furthermore, the land was split with his uncle Shambat. The Bulgarian Legend of the Silver Stag describes his attempt to flee to Danube Bulgaria with his sister Houba which resulted in his eventual death.

Brook's Book
In fact the only source provided now only says: "A number of Bulgars remained in the territory of Great Bulgaria for centuries. They were ruled by Batbayan (Bayan), the first son of Kubrat. The Khazars conquered Great Bulgaria in 650. Theophanes wrote that these Bulgars paid tribute to the Khazar Empire." Then he gives a reference to Constantin Zukerman. There is no reference to being the successor of Kubrat (Bezmer) nor to the Dulo tribe nor anything else. So all that will have to come out. It is not clear if Brook is saying that Zukerman mentions Barbarian or not.I would like one more independent source to corroborate Brook too please.Bulgarios (talk) 07:05, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Check then: Boris Zhivkov, Khazaria in the Ninth and Tenth Centuries, East Central and Eastern Europe in the Middle Ages, 450-1450, BRILL, 2015, ISBN 9004294481, p. 228. Jingiby (talk) 07:22, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will certainly check as soon as I get the chance. In the meantime you could also check to be sure nothing else you wrote is OR or not true to source. Take care. Bulgarios (talk) 07:32, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, Zhivkov mentions Batbayan on Page 138, 228 and 229 (inc. Footnote 25) but makes clear that it is only a theory that Bezmer of the Nominalia and Batbayan of Theophanes and Nicephorus were the same person. It will only be necessary to mention the theory at the end of the article. I will remove the other information in the Wiki article which is not given in Zhivkov. Bulgarios (talk) 13:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Zhivkov is not the single source. Info, you have removed is backed by other sources. Please, stop deleting sourced content. Jingiby (talk) 14:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm not deleting sourced content, so please don't get uppity. Two days ago this article was rubbish. Now it is starting to look ok. Two heads are always better than one. Your contributions are most welcome. Bulgarios (talk) 14:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)