Talk:Bathory (band)

BATLORD meme
This article should at least mention the fact that the Bathory album covers obscure the band name with old english font which has lead to the "BATLORD meme". I.e. people thinking the band is called 'BATLORD' due to the font ("Why does that Bathory shirt say Batlord?"). Blearn (talk) 14:31, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Untitled
Removed the details about Quorthon's death as that is detailed on his own page. redcountess 14:36, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)

Complete page overhaul?
This page on Bathory is poorly sourced, and full of misinformation. A good source would be the autobiographical and biographical sources released with his albums (including posthumous ones), links and/or references to various interviews mentioned. I may know a lot things about Bathory, but I can't do anything without references to correct them. Please consider donating your time to Bathory if you own or know of any resources to better this article! 91.152.238.199 (talk) 11:51, 7 June, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am currently trying to fix the articles about Bathory and Quorthon with information from Blod Eld Död, which came out last year. It has a lot of interviews with pretty much everyone involved with Bathory over the years, and it is confirmed that Boss/Börje Forsberg is Quorthon's father, and that Quorthon real name was Ace Forsberg. Riagu (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Hardcore Punk??
Someone added in "Black Metal/Hardcore Punk" into the genre infobox. Apparently some people need to give Bathory a real close examination...they're anything BUT hardcore punk. I left it as Viking Metal, Black Metal, and Thrash Metal. Mister Deranged 21:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Citations?
There are NO citations in this article whatsoever. What basis is there for the assertion that they were a "highly intellectual" band? Could a fan or someone who has a clue about them please edit this article with citations. I'd like to read about them, but only if what I'm reading is grounded in documented fact. Doctor-Schadenfreude 16:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this page is currently awful. I'll try and make it a priority to look for sources and sort this page out over the next week. I've removed some of the obvious nonsense, corrected a few bits per WP:MOS and added citation needed flags to everything that starts off with 'some fans think' etc. Those bits will probably get deleted but I'll have a go at sorting first. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Line-up
I changed " *Ace ``Quorthon`` Börje Forsberg - all instruments & vocals (Silverwing) (R.I.P. 2/17/1966 - 6/3/2004, heart failure)" to "Quorthon (2/17/1966 - 6/3/2004) - guitars, vocals, music, and lyrics"; inasmuch as

1) it reflects more closely what is on the (presumably more authoritative) Quorthon page: we still don't know his real name; 2) it seems to be standard policy not to list death details in line-up entries. Of these, 1) seems the more important.

Also, the relevance of Silverwing was left unexplained.

Vivacissamamente 16:36, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=184, I'll go ahead and add his name. /050505

--- Ok, sorry, this is not the right way to add to the discussion, I guess, but I can't find any other way... How can Bathory have been founded in 1983 by an *18*-year old guy born in 1966? In 1983 Quorthon must have been 16/17, but never 18...

Plagiarism?
Someone may want to check, but the biography section of this article seems strangely similar to the Bathory AllMusic Page...58.108.245.70 12:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.245.70 (talk) 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Corrected his spelling of "plagerism" to "Plagiarism" because it annoyed me. Doctor-Schadenfreude 16:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Bathory Logo.png
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Troll alert
Seemingly someone has been trolling this page, see the remark "Bathory is also the worst band in the world". Someone should fix that, because I'm too lazy to do it.

Ban em. This is not correct information and has no citations except to a random 5SOS fan's opinion, which is irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilahdog568 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Triplet gallop beat
Could somebody please tell me what a "triplet gallop beat" is? The only results on Google come from this page. TheguX 15:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Genre (as usual)
We can probably find sources saying Bathory is several different styles at different periods of their career. I'm not particularly interested in arguing about them. I reckon we leave 'black metal', 'Viking metal' and 'thrash metal', don't state exactly when they were in the infobox but find sources. Reasonable compromise? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not interested in arguing about it, either. I don't think there is an arguement really. Early on they were black metal, then they became Viking metal, then they made a couple thrash albums and then went back to Viking metal. Sounds fine to me, though I think the sources are unneccesary per what I just said. THere's never been an edit war on this page (that I know of) over the genres.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 21:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, just something mentioned on another Talk page. I think you could make an argument that some of the early stuff is thrash as well as black. Finding sources for that is actually quite easy, although some users seem to regard Terrorizer as unreliable. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * True and true. Though if you argue that early Bathory is thrash it's very different than the thrash that they played on Requiem and Octagon.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 22:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh absolutely. Notably by not being shit ;-) Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahahahahaha!! True. Those were the only bad albums that Bathory ever made.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 22:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Just a comment, but when ..black mark / blood fire death were coming out in the 80's they were described as thrash in reviews - certainly by kerrang. Indeed the reasond i bought blood fire death is that it was in the list of top thrash albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.10.45.219 (talk) 11:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

lets not forget they play many classic Heavy Metal riffs. Heavy Metal, Black Metal, Viking Metal and Thrash Metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 (talk) 20:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the lead should say Black Metal not Viking Metal, as most everything of theirs can be considered Black Metal, where as Viking Metal isn't until a few albums in. Viking Metal is (arguably/traditionally) a subgenre of Black Metal anyway, but that's a different argument. JanderVK (talk) 02:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Manowar Influence
I added on one paragraph to mention the influence of Manowar on Bathory's music.

Here is the link:

http://www.anus.com/metal/about/interviews/quorthon/

Although Quorthon denied any direct influence, he contradicts himself in the same interview stating that his drummer at the time was a Manowar fan:

"In 1986-1988, BATHORY had a drummer who was heavily influenced by Manowar. He didn't enjoy any other type of metal, but he was somehow sold on Manowar. It wasn't like we decided to copy what they were doing. However, the typical heavy Manowar beat seemed to perfectly suit my new ideas for lyrics at the time. The way it came about was this; in an effort to get away from the whole "are they true satanists or not"-discussions that went on in the media at the time (sort of drawing the attention away from what was truly important, the music), I felt I wanted to replace the whole demonic & satanic bag with something that was pure from christian and satanic bullshit."

So I need help with the hyperlinks, so if anyone can hyperlink the names, and then add the citation at the bottom of the page, it would be much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.213.119 (talk) 01:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added the reference link, but have changed the text to say that the Manowar influence is mistaken. My reasoning for this is that Quorthon wrote all the music himself, and didn't seem to influence the writing of the music intentionally.
 * -- Tekhammer (talk) 08:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

1st wave of black metal???
Black metal used to mean any group that sung Satanic lyrics. The oposite being white metal which was groups that sung lyrics about the Bible. When Venom released the album "Black metal" it was reference to it being evil / satanic.

Its like saying Helloween are first wave Death Metal as they appeared on an album titled "Death Metal". Everyone knows Helloween aren't Death metal the same way everyone remembers Venom were part of the NWOBHM. Venom sound more like Motorhead only with poorer recording quality and production - Motorhead were a much bigger band with bigger label support.

The new genre taking the name "Black Metal" evolved from Death Metal groups who took a large influence from groups like Venom. Deatth Metal was usually satanic in its theme as with Morbid Angel etc who took much influence from bands like Slayer so the conection of Satanic theme with groups like Venom is understandable.

Black metal as a genre / sub-genre of extreme metal music started not with Venom etc but was started much later and was greatly influenced by Venom etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.254.123 (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Bathory is black metal. There's no doubt. The distorted guitars, growled vocals and satanic lyrics are classic Black metal. Venom is black metal. They're to black metal what Black Sabbath is to metal in general, the first stage, which evolves over time and changes a bit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilahdog568 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

"Its like saying Helloween are first wave Death Metal as they appeared on an album titled "Death Metal". Everyone knows Helloween aren't Death metal the same way everyone remembers Venom were part of the NWOBHM. Venom sound more like Motorhead only with poorer recording quality and production - Motorhead were a much bigger band with bigger label support." uhhhhhh nooo. Motorhead doesn't sound near;y as extreme. Btw, if Bathroy isn't black metal, then metallica aint thrash. We can debate whether Celtic Frost or Venom were real Black metal (I think yes) but Bathory is surely black metal. The growling vocals, distorted guitars and occult or violent lyrics all say yes.199.107.16.119 (talk) 00:29, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Various names before "Bathory"
The Early years section of the Biography states that Nosferatu, Natas, Mephisto, Elizabeth Bathory and Countess Bathory were names used before the band decided on Bathory. This is untrue according to the Bathory book that comes with the In Memory Of Quorthon boxset and Bathory's official website - http://www.bathory.nu/x1.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Foreverinchains (talk • contribs) 04:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Merge from Quorthon
We essentially have two articles on the same subject, covering largely the same ground here. It seems sensible to merge the Quorthon article here. Any objections?--Michig (talk) 15:08, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Then it would only seem fair to merge every other lead singer into their band's page.... which doesn't seem sensible...174.24.70.236 (talk) 06:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)Dragula42

The two solo albums Quarthon released were designed to be NOT Bathory. . I would say that calls for a separated page. . . BenMech (talk) 15:05, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do object, this guy is notable enough to have an article of his own. Gothbag (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Fixing discography
Can someone please put back the discography section into its' own section? It looks messy in the Viking metal years section. 69.225.80.139 (talk) 21:43, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

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Slayer influence
"Bathory's early sound also have always been associated with Slayer but Quorthon denied being influenced by them" " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:9C (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)