Talk:Batman: Arkham Knight/Archive 1

Development section
The second paragraph of the development section reads "Rocksteady decided early on in development to make Arkham Knight only for the then-upcoming next-generation of consoles, which was considered to allow them to focus on using the system resources to their fullest without reining in their ideas to accommodate the older generation systems."

I read this as implying, incorrectly, that the game will not be released on PC. It seems the sentence is supposed to indicate that it will not be released on previous gen consoles, but it could be clearer. N o f o rmation Talk  20:34, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * PC is not a console, so it is stated correctly. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

(The) Arkham Knight pics
The new Game Revolution preview has a couple screenshots of the Arkham Knight, and I'm assuming other sites probably were given assess to them as well. We might be able to use the fact that he's a new character to justify a screenshot on here, but I'll defer that to the more active editors.

Also, the current box art image is a really bad crop. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:40, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it would be fine to include. Also, can you elaborate on how the box art image is a "bad crop"? What is the issue for you, as I don't see an issue with it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Too much headroom/negative space at the top. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I uploaded the image as is, so I will try to reduce that issue. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:39, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Release date pushed to 2015 (maybe)
Just so people are on standby: I would not consider this a reliable source, but know that this statement is out there, and Rocksteady and/or Warner Bros. may be commenting on this shortly. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

main games vs whole series
This is the third main game but the fourth overall. Origins is a non-cannon prequel made by a completely different studio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.46.209.18 (talk) 23:22, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Says who? It is the successor in real life to Origins, sequel in story to City and fourth game overall. End of story. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * uhm..says the creators? did you read the press release? also, where your citation that it's officially the fourth one? and i said overall you dumbass but the section specifically calls it main, which it is not. stop crying — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.46.209.18 (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * They can say it's the tenth game in the Final Fantasy series, there are four console Arkham games. Its the third Rocksteady have done, that doesn't have any bearing on this article. DWB (talk) / Comment on 'Dishonoreds FA nom! 00:08, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Origins clearly isn't canon as Rocksteady call Arkham Knight the "Explosive finale to the Arkham trilogy."
 * ...to their trilogy. - Favre1fan93 (talk – Comment on List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films' FLC) 14:47, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Release Date
I went to Gamestop to preorder that and he said it would be available in February. BecauseBATMAN (talk) 22:39, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hopefully it will release soon, cause I don't know about you,, but I'm tired of waiting for new gameplay! URDNEXT (talk) 01:09, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Spelling Mistake
IN Batmobile part, instead of laser defense, it is typed by mistake as 'Taser Defense". Please correct the spelling.

122.178.220.193 (talk) 01:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌ It is not a mistake. Please see the source attributed to it. It is taser. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

GA/FA
Hey, I know the game only comes out next year, but is anybody interested in taking the article to GA/FA when the time comes? I'm onboard. URDNEXT (talk) 23:52, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Linux / SteamOS
Steam is now selling this for pre-order on SteamOS/Linux too, apparently for release simultaneous with the other platforms. I'm not quite proposing we add this to the article yet (the steamdb occasionally has errors), but we should look out for an announcement (perhaps from Feral) at GDC or Pax East. -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 19:29, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sources. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 03:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Out of the sources provided, VG24/7 is the only one that is reliable, and it does not adequately state that the game will be out on Linux / SteamOS. It just lumps all the titles together that are under the deal and doesn't specify which are for what platforms. There is no harm in waiting for a proper source to come around. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Favre1fan93, I partially disagree with your assessment of the sources. Phoronix, for example, is generally regarded as trustworthy and authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. How reliable a source is depends on context. Even GamingOnLinux is usable here, as a temporary link, because its statements are not speculation but it's spelling out facts. In fact, this material does not even require an inline citation per WP:MINREF, because it's not a direct quotation, has not been challenged and is unlikely to be challenged, and is not contentious material about a living person. Even the Steam page about the game itself, where it says "Batman: Arkham Knight will be available on SteamOS and Linux in Fall 2015.", can be used per WP:PRIMARY. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 06:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that VG247 is not usable here. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 07:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Batmobile at MCM Comic Con
I don′t know, if anyone of you lives in London. But during this weekend, there is a replica of the Batmobile in the London Comic Con and maybe someone can make a picture for this article. --M(e)ister Eiskalt (talk) 11:32, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know about an image, but I found an article about it that can be added to the marketing section. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I mean that you can take a picture, if you are there. --M(e)ister Eiskalt (talk) 16:19, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * http://m.imgur.com/R0H1znW / http://www.mcmcomiccon.com/london/2015/05/01/life-size-batman-arkham-knight-batmobile-to-make-uk-debut-at-comic-con/ -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by M(e)ister Eiskalt (talk • contribs) 16:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But Maybe you can add the article in here - that would be better than nothing. --M(e)ister Eiskalt (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I had added it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --M(e)ister Eiskalt (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Outsourced?
According to http://community.wbgames.com/t5/Support-for-PC/PC-Performance-issues-we-hear-you/m-p/571341#M7537, there is an "external pc development partner". Could this mean they outsourced the PC port? There has been no mention of an external developer before, to my knowledge. Ferrochemist (talk) 16:22, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We should look through the credits for other development firms to confirm this. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:37, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * looks like it was iron galaxy studios, good job whoever found and edited it Ferrochemist (talk) 01:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

This is a common practice, almost every game uses multiple developers to cover different platforms these days, and Iron Galaxy was a developer for Batman: Arkham Origins as well. -- ferret (talk) 01:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Not nearly as common, but I was just saying that it wasn't mentioned before by WB or Rocksteady. Ferrochemist (talk) 12:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Why are ports not to be listed in the infobox per recent consensus?
Does this apply to all games? Can someone point me to where consensus was reached as I would argue that knowing the developer(s) for all platforms of a game is useful. So if the PC dev of this game cannot be listed in the infobox why isn't it mentioned in the actual article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smush123 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You'll need to head over to the talk page for the template at Template_talk:Infobox video game. The discussions appear to be contained in the two most recent archives, as well as a new section that has been opened in response to this article. -- ferret (talk) 00:29, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

White Washing of PC Problems
Not one mention of the fact that the PC version is a virtually unplayable piece of garbage? If Wikipedia was actually a good source of unbiased info I'd be more surprised. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.207.237 (talk) 13:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Then write it up and provide sources. Don't expect someone else to do it when you can do it yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.43.79.246 (talk) 15:09, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Also of note: reviews (positive or negative) written by Steam users who subsequently request a refund are removed. In other words, those negative review counts don't include anyone disappointed enough to request a refund. 75.158.232.215 (talk) 19:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 19:52, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It doesn't. I purchased it, wrote a negative review and confirmed it got posted. After struggling for about 30 more minutes, I requested and received my refund. My review disappeared with my game. I don't particularly have an opinion of it one way or the other (I don't own the game, so should I be able to have a review?) - just putting that out there. 75.158.232.215 (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * If there's an article explaining that this happens, I think it would be worth mentioning (at least on the Steam article). Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The article really does gloss over the massive reaction to the PC version. As of a few hours ago, WB ceased selling the PC version (http://kotaku.com/warner-bros-says-theyre-suspending-arkham-knight-pc-sal-1713780990).  Time is reporting on the problems with the PC version, and there's no shortage of articles on gaming sites like Kotaku.  This section really needs an overhaul. http://time.com/3933187/batman-arkham-knight-pc/, http://kotaku.com/arkham-knight-pc-disaster-watch-day-two-1713637876 Ragan (talk) 04:26, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems the page has been updated and I wasn't seeing the current version or it was just changed. This links will probably still be useful.  I have changed the wording near the beginning of the section, because calling the massive reaction "not as well-received" is deceptive or at best misinformed in the current situation.  I added a Kotaku link that showed the user reaction on Steam and lists some of the problems, but more sources for this statement would be useful, and I am not up to sifting through them right now.Ragan (talk) 04:29, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that this page is under Pending Changes protection, and updates will not be shown on the live article until they have been accepted by a reviewer. I have just accepted all of the pending revisions as of this time stamp. -- ferret (talk) 13:17, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Removal of PC reviews from the lead of Reception?
In the reception area, why was my edit reverted? I can't find the exact revision that removed my text. The information I wrote was legitmate and correct with a reliable source that went along with it. So I ask again, why was it removed?

Links: Revision, Difference -- Anar  chyte   02:21, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * That text appears to still be in the article at the end of the first paragraph of the Reception statement, and I do not think it was ever removed. You may not have seen it while viewing the article due to the Pending Changes protection that this page was under, until the revisions were later accepted by a reviewer. -- ferret (talk) 13:22, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Rename Technical Issues to PC Technical Issues?
Just to see what others think, the technical issues section and current uproar is exclusive to the PC release, and I think having the section simply called technical issues arguably impacts perception on the console versions, which so far as I know lack the problems and are well-received. I feel the name of the section should indicate that it is a PC-issue, which will also draw attention to PC gamers looking for information on the article, or those interested in researching this matter.Ragan (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I would opt for "Technical Issues on Windows platform" if we're trying to be as clear as possible. -- ferret (talk) 13:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ — AYTK talk. 18:36, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2015
Under the "Additional content" section, a word has been left out. The extant text is, "Design producer Justin Vazquez said, "Hacking is really what separates her from the other characters... Our intention was that Batgirl should be less powerful than Batman, but that Batgirl plus hacking could give her opportunities do things that not even Batman can pull off." An edit should be made to insert the word to after opportunites so that the text reads, "Design producer Justin Vazquez said, "Hacking is really what separates her from the other characters... Our intention was that Batgirl should be less powerful than Batman, but that Batgirl plus hacking could give her opportunities to do things that not even Batman can pull off."

Ultraapple (talk) 04:30, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Well it was put up exactly as it was mentioned in the source. However, guessing it was a mistake, I've corrected it by adding the word inside square brackets. Best -- Chamith   (talk)  05:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Unbalanced reviews template
Looking at the Metacritic scores and seeing that the PS4 version has so much more reviews than the Xbox one and Windows versions currently, would it make more sense to make it more of a multi-platform template to identify which version was reviewed? GamerPro64 03:44, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Plot expansion
Could somenone please complete de game's plot? some people want to know what the game deals with — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.28.189.227 (talk) 18:45, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It's being actively expanded, give it some time. -- ferret (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

This is unrelated to the plot expanion, but a HUGE plot correction needs to be done: It is made clear in the ending of Batman Arkham City that batman, with the help if Mr. Freeze, manages to find and then injects on himself a cure for Joker's infected blood desease. Furhtermore, in Arkham Knight Its clear (thanks to the "hallucination" joker) that ONLY AFTER being exposed to scarecrow's toxing in ace chemicals Batman hallucinates with, is brefily mind controled and slowly both mind-changed, defeated and subsequently "killed" by Joker. Somene please make the needed corrections as soon as posible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter (talk • contribs) 06:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Plot Correction
A HUGE plot correction needs to be done: It is made clear in the ending of Batman Arkham City that batman, with the help if Mr. Freeze, manages to find and then injects on himself a cure for Joker's infected blood desease. Furhtermore, in Arkham Knight Its clear (thanks to the "hallucination" joker) that ONLY AFTER being exposed to scarecrow's toxing in ace chemicals Batman hallucinates with, is brefily mind controled and slowly both mind-changed, defeated and subsequently "killed" by Joker. Somene please make the needed corrections as soon as posible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter (talk • contribs) 06:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Additional content reception
The additional content reception section shouldn't exist. There is a reason no game page in all of Wikipedia includes it: there is no general consensus. Compare to the main reception section. It all boils down to a couple of "this random guy thinks this, this other random guy feels that". It's ridiculous, it's unencyclopedic, it doesn't pertain to the game reception and it has no place here. - Fighting Fefnir (talk) 19:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It very much has a place in the article. Reviews for the additional content exist and provide scope to additional parts of the game. This info would not fit farther up with in the "Release" section; it fits here. And given the amount of it, we can create the subsection. If there was not as much as there was, it would just be a paragraph at the bottom of the section. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015
There is an easter egg for Ace the Bat-Hound, please add "Ace the Bat-Hound" to the references listed in Synopsis/Characters, next to Superman, Black Canary, Blue Beetle, and the others. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_78TkKCp4

24.211.226.190 (talk) 17:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ Unverified YouTube accounts (as this one is) can't be used to source material. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess we'll just have to find a better source then. -24.211.226.190 (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)