Talk:Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (film)

"A brief overview, not a retelling" -- you don't say?
I'm a fan of brevity. And I'm not a fan of edit wars.

Nor am I, frankly, a fan of reversion. When you revert an edit, you're saying "There was nothing of value whatsoever in your edit." It's an insult, and every editor who has a good-faith edit reverted (especially without an adequate and respectful explanation) has every right in the world to feel insulted. Almost every good-faith edit that gets reverted should have been built upon, instead.

When an editor reverts a good-faith edit described in the Edit Summary as 'Part 2: There was no explanation for the Joker's body burning. Let's face facts: Batman rigged the corpse to explode as an attack (only PART of an attack, in fact) on the GCPD officers.', an edit designed to correct this problem, that editor's integrity is called into question. The Batman rigged Joker's body to explode, for the purpose of attacking cops. This should be known. A passing reference to "as the Joker's body burns" is uninformative, bewildering nonsense.

When an editor reverts not one but two good-faith edits in one fell swoop, with the same under-informative explanation, it is not only his integrity, but his overall value as a Wikipedia editor entirely, that is called into question.

I am re-integrating some (as in, "not all") of the material from my two good-faith edits which were reverted with inadequate explanation by User: Darkwarriorblake (Dude, why not just call yourself "Robin"? There's nothing inherently un-cool about Robin.) It is my intention to improve the article, as always, and I believe it probably will. I also believe a majority of editors will agree that it does.

With that in mind, please comment! I seek consensus.

--05:01, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Please don't say that there was no explanation, there was. A) We do not flip back and forth between character names, see The Avengers (2012 film) for an example, he is easily identified as Superman by a reader, there is no benefit in switching between Superman, Clark Kent, Clark, AND Kent all in the same small chunk of space, it's unnecessary and confusing. Again, it is not a dramatic retelling and does not require extensive detail. Easiest way to avoid your burning confusion? Remove the Joker's body burning, it is not important to the plot understanding. It doesn't matter that it took Batman years and a small fortune to develop synthetic kryptonite, is there a kryptonite shortage established? No, the only important part is Superman is hit with kryptonite and it lets Batman beat him. Tehre is an article dedicated to the comic with a more detailed summary if you want to expand it with novelization.


 * And Robin sucks. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 07:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * " I think it's pretty damn relevant that the Batman, uh, ATTACKED and, um, PROBABLY KILLED COPS"
 * He attacked cops at the start of part 2, it is something he does when cops are in the way. All that needs to be said is that he escapes them, leave your OR about him killing cops when no one ever says he does that EVER at the door. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

First of all, Robin does not suck -- not to the extent that you do, at least.

Secondly, as I mentioned elsewhere, you cannot bring the roof of a large structure down with C4 or whatever plastique he uses, and not kill ordinary, non-meta-humans.

Thirdly -- and I'm sure you'll say this is unrelated -- but when this Batman, this VERY Batman from "Universe 33" or whatever the "Millerverse" is -- THIS Batman "wasted a whole pile of cops" while abducting Dick Grayson from police custody. (He also nearly killed his girlfriend, just to show how "tuff" he was.) Again, same Batman, just slightly younger then. I don't see why his cop-killing habits would change. Do you?

I may be over-relying on the book rather than the video. I'll admit that. Right now I'm looking at a panel featuring the first cop to touch the Joker's rigged body. The poor dude is ENGULFED in FLAME! Even if it didn't kill him, sure had to fuck up his life, didn't it? and this is before Batman drops the whole building on everyone.

I feel like I'm talking to someone who's clinging to "Batman doesn't kill" the way an eight-year-old, who secretly knows better, might insist "Santa Claus IS real! He just has to be!"

I also have no idea what "door" you refer to. It's a tunnel. [I get it now! --Ben Culture (talk) 01:22, 5 September 2013 (UTC)]

--Ben Culture (talk) 19:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This isn't the Internet Movie Database and your interpretations of what fictional cops can withstand does not belong here any more than Batman in Batman Begins driving his tank over occupied cop cars kills people. If you believe I am wrong that is your right, the better alternative would be to invite the opinion of other editors at any of the numerous projects listed at the top of the page. Present to them your theory that Batman killed a bunch of cops while going out of his way not to kill the mass murdering clown in front of him and if they agree it needs to go in there, then it can go in. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for a ... surprisingly productive and helpful response! Okay, see, I didn't know about those projects -- what they are, what they mean, what one does there. I admit, I didn't like the IMDb comparison (I don't even read that, much less contribute to it) and I don't understand how you could think that non-powered cops can survive explosions and collapsing buildings. But, hey, I just told you that you suck more than Robin, and you let it go, and that was pretty damn cool. Thank you. Some days, it seems like everybody on Wikipedia is a complete tool, and you've been the surprising exception today. I guess I will just have to investigate those links and see what's what. Hell. Maybe it doesn't matter, I can consider that.


 * I also don't understand how you could see Batman "pancaking cop cars" with the Tumbler and believe the cops survived -- or that their deaths were so irrelevant as to be left out of the plot description. Mind you, I haven't watched Begins for some time, so I don't really remember if that happens ... but if it does, why wouldn't it matter? Seriously.


 * And no, my Dad's not a cop, or a dead cop, or anything like that.


 * Thanks again for the constructive advice.


 * --Ben Culture (talk) 01:22, 5 September 2013 (UTC)