Talk:Battersea Power Station/Archive 1

Early comments
What kind of Power Station was Battersea? (coal, gas, etc?) --Dtcdthingy 16:18, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Coal fired. The article should say so, I'll check now. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:31, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Strangely enough the Battersea Power Station was featured in Pink Floyd's album and in the movie 1984 (year 1984). (anon)
 * Also it was a major feature of the begining of the Doctor Who vs The Daleks movie with Peter Cushing - DarkCryst 18:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The Pink Floyd Pigs article and this one don t agree on where the pig landed... Kent or Germany? Paul Dehaye 08:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Anyone have a current status on the chimney issue? -Speedeep 20:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't the article start with the exact location/address?

District Heating System
Added a section on the district heating system - the first in the UK. Will add more history when I dig some more out - but it's a start!! Gruffy 13:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Goering's prohibition to bomb Battersea Power Station: a myth?
I have read somewhere (but a few years ago, therefore I'masking for a confirmation) that the Battersea Power station wasn't bombed during the blitz because it was so huge and caracteristic to be used as a "beacon" by the bombers approaching London. Goering himself issued an order forbidding to bomb the power plant... Is there any truth in this story?

-Not sure about Battersea, but I know the Jerries used Tower Bridge and Tower of London as landmarks, so it's not inconceivable that they used Battersea Power station as well. It's certainly big enough to be used as a landmark.
 * After 1941 they couldn't bomb the Tower because Rudolf Hess was held there. ;)

That is a myth as Battersea Power Station was hit by bombs which caused major damage on 7th September 1940 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.33.75 (talk) 13:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that prohibition is true, but then bombing in that era wasn't always accurate!

But my Father was working in the Control Room when it got bombed and one of his ear lobes ended up almost detached.

Sadly he is no longer with us, but I'm pretty sure it was during the Blitz - so probably September 1940. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.81.179.182 (talk) 03:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Merge the Power Station entry here
It looks like The Power Station London article is redundant now Parkview have moved on. Any objections to merging anything that isn't already here? Paulbrock 01:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello friends, Hank Chapot from California here. Why is there no information about the pollution legacy of this plant? I am researching gas manufacturing plants in the US, and the pollution story is important. Think about including the legacy of ash, cinder and liquid wasste from huge furnaces.Hank chapot 02:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The Projected Man?
Didn't this facility also appear in the B-Movie The Projected Man? 68.118.72.156 (talk) 21:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed it was. It has been added. Surv1v4l1st (Talk  —Preceding undated comment added 02:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC).

Featured in Hitchcock film?
Under Cultural impact, it says "the station was used as a setting in Alfred Hitchcock's 1936 film, Sabotage" – but the introduction states that "the first part of the structure was built in 1939". Anyone know more about this? -- 87.165.231.245 (talk) 15:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Late reply, but it definately is, it can be seen in the opening scenes, nice indoor shot too. The statement that it opened in 1939 was a bad reference, other references state it was brought into operation between 1933 and 1935. Sorted now. Fintan264 (talk) 16:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks vaguely brooding and menacing, that's probably the reason why it became such a fave object for horror and sci-fi reiated artwork and films - Hitchcokc, Animals, 1984, Dr Who and so on.

Map?
The station is on the Thames, but the map on the page shows its location as south london

Wiki.de (talk) 19:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

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Viking
The Italian singer/song writer Viking (now Aufidena) used video of the power station in the background to her video for the song The Scarecrow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.68.162 (talk) 19:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This was listed until recently when I tidied the article up for GA. It didn't seem to be notable. Fintan264 (talk) 20:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Full Metal Jacket
I suspect that the power station used in FMJ was Beckton not Battersea.

Battersea Power Station being turned over to Irish government???
The Irish Independent is reporting on 31 March 2010 that REO's "land bank" and "assets" are going into the Irish gov't "toxic loan" bank:

http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/hot-property-linked-to-toxic-loans-2118154.html?start=1

Does that mean they are having trouble paying off the loans??? I mean, it should have just said that the LOANS are going into the new gov't toxic loan bank, not the "land bank". Does anybody know what the implications of this are??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.161.19 (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Battersea power station in popular culture
I'm starting to think that maybe the cultural use section of this article is too long in proportion to the rest of the article. I'm proposing that an article entitled Battersea power station in popular culture (or something along those lines) be made aside from the main article, and the section on this page be cut down to cover the main uses (Pink Floyd etc.) in paragraph, rather than bullet point form. Does anybody else think this is a good itea? Fintan264 (talk) 21:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd support that.
 * Incidentally, I'm listening to The Orb's Live '93 at the moment. That's clearly a Floyd parody, although the power station looks more like Chapelcross and certainly isn't Battersea. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's the US cover of The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld, according to the article. I'm not that clued up on who or what the orb are. Anyway, on the pop culture issue; I'll give it a few more days, see if anyone disagrees, then go ahead with it. Fintan264 (talk) 17:21, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ultraworld US is a parody of Floyd, using an image of Battersea. Live '93 is still a parody of Floyd, using an obviously toy sheep and a power station that certainly isn't Battersea. In an extracted article, they'd both belong. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And belong they shall when the extracted article's done. Fintan264 (talk) 18:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Residential plan...
"..Plans now include the construction of 3,400 apartments and 3,500,000-square-foot (325,000 m2) of office space.[31] Approximately 28,000 inhabitants and 25,000 workers are expected to occupy the space once complete" This works out to MORE than 9 people per apartment...can this be accurate..? Feroshki (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Uskmouth Turbine Failure
Engineering disasters : lessons to be learned by Don Lawson

If you are an engineer or you are just curious about what can happen when engineering does work out the way it was planned you should read this book. The specific chapter i read was titled the Uskmouth Turbine Failure. One thing i really enjoyed about reading this chapter was I learned about what mistakes were made as well as what could have been done to prevent them. Some of the topics covered in this chapter are the Failure itself, circumstances surrounding the failure, What should of happened, the investigation and a lessoned learned section as well.The Uskmouth Turbine Failure happened on January 18 1956 and Two people died due to the failure along with nine injured. The explosion of the turbine was caused by the over revving of the turbine because of the load that is suppose to be applied to the turbine had been removed causing the speed of the turbine to increase rapidly until failure. The book says that a low pressure rotor was thrown out of the building several hundred yards away. There was a governing/tripping mechanism that should have kicked on and limited the revolutions to seven percent of normal operating speed. I really enjoyed the lesson learned section there was a lot of good information that is very useful to think about when dealing with things of this nature.Antshep (talk) 09:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Reference
Lawson, D. (2005). Engineering disasters: lessons to be learned. New York: ASME Press. ISBN 0791802302 9780791802304

Lead section - balance
The lead makes no mention of Leonard Pearce, J. Theo Halliday or Giles Gilbert Scott, who designed the building, yet contains many lines about pop groups whose connexion with the power station is peripheral. (These groups are have not even been thought worth mentioning in the main body of the text.) See Manual of Style/Lead section: there should be nothing in the lead that isn't covered in the main text, and the lead should contain a mention of all important information. The inclusion in the lead of the pop musicians and the omission of the main designers breaches this guidance on both counts. By the bye, Halliday was "J. Theo Halliday", and not "Theo J. Halliday" as the article renders him. – Tim riley (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, the lead needs a thorough overhaul. It currently contains far too much detail that belongs further down, and needs to be reworked into a clear, readable, non-technical introduction to the topic. Anyone care to take that on? Ranmore (talk) 19:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

2012 Olympics
The introductory film before the opening ceremony of the 2012 Olympics (showing the Thames from its source to the olympic stadium) zoomed past the power station, showing it with a pig flying above it... -- AnonMoos (talk) 09:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed addition to recent history and redevelopment section of Battersea Power Station entry
Hi, on the basis nobody has come back with any objections to the updates to the entry I propose to go ahead and update the text, as set out below, in 5 days time, SimonSimon Cawte at Power Station (talk) 13:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, did anyone have any views or concerns regarding the suggested amendments below? I am content that they are neutral, factual and objective, therefore should pose no problem, but as an employee of Battersea Power Station Development Company and in the interests of transparency I am keen to confirm no objections to this update taking place. Many thanks, Simon Simon Cawte at Power Station (talk) 17:43, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to propose a couple of additions to the introductory paragraphs of the "Battersea Power Station" and the section entitled "2012 sales and redevelopment plans". I should state an interest in that I work for the Battersea Power Station Development Company, however the additions I propose are entirely factual, objective, third-party sourced and serve only to update the entry since the change of ownership which took place in September 2012. Please can you let me know if you see any problem with the updates as proposed below. Simon 213.121.169.210 (talk) 14:52, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

General intro

Completion of the sale to the consortium comprising SP Setia, Sime Darby and Employees’ Provident Fund (EPF) took place in September 2012 with a pledge to start building works in 2013. The redevelopment will see the implementation of the Rafael Vinoly master plan which had gained planning consent from Wandsworth Council in 2011. In the Government’s Autumn statement of December 2012, it was announced that the Government would offer a “loan and guarantee” to fund the Northern Line extension to the tube, including two new stations; one near the neighbouring US Embassy at Nine Elms and one at Battersea Power Station. Later that month detailed planning permission for the first phase of the redevelopment, to the West of the Power Station, was approved by Wandsworth Council to include over 800 homes of varying sizes alongside a mix of offices, shops, cafes, restaurants, a gym and other leisure opportunities. On January 10th 2013 the first phase of residential sales went on sale in the UK, with prices starting at £338,000 for a studio apartment, £423,000 for a one bedroom, £613,000 for a two bedroom and £894,000 for a three bedroom apartment. Four days after the launch it was announced that three quarters of the apartments and townhouses in Phase 1 had been sold in what was considered to be one of the fastest selling property developments on record. Construction on Phase 1, named Circus West, commences later in 2013 with completion due in 2016/17. Work to restore and refurbish the Power Station itself also commences in 2013.

2012 Sales and redevelopment plans.

Completion of the sale to the Malaysian consortium took place in September 2012. The redevelopment of the site will use the existing Vinoly master plan which will see the Power Station as the central focus of the regenerated 40 acre site, housing a blend or shops, cafes, restaurants, art and leisure facilities, office space and residential accommodation. The plan includes the restoration of the historic Power Station itself, the creation of a new riverside park to the north of the Power Station and the creation of a new High Street which will link the future entrance to Battersea Power Station tube station with the Power Station. The redevelopment will also bring about the addition of over 400m to the existing riverside walk and facilitate access directly from the Power Station to Battersea Park and Chelsea Bridge. Restoration of the Grade 2* listed Power Station is an early priority in the development. Work is due to commence in 2013 and will include restoring the art deco structure internally and externally, reconstructing the chimneys, and refurbishing the historic cranes and jetty with a view to it accommodating a new river taxi stop. Sales of residential apartments in Phase 1 of the redevelopment got underway in January 2013 with in the region of 75% of townhouses and apartments sold within four days of the UK launch. Construction work on Phase 1, called Circus West, commences in 2013 alongside work on the Power Station. The full redevelopment consists of seven main phases, some of which will run concurrently. Phase 1 is due to complete in 2016/17 with the Northern Line extension and requisite new Battersea Power Station terminal anticipated to complete in 2019.

Carcinogenic asbestos hell-hole
Is it not a carcinogenic asbestos hell-hole in central London? If not, why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.181.11.65 (talk) 01:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

The Simpsons Reference
The Power Station was featured in a publicity stunt to advertise The Simpsons Movie. A Floating Pig (Plopper) was attached to the Station to do this. This was also a recreation of Pink Floyds Album Cover Animals.

I think this should be added to the page


 * I think that's too trivial to mention here. It's already listed at Battersea Power Station in popular culture. Kendall-K1 (talk) 20:38, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Generators
From the infobox:


 * A station:Two 69 MW Metropolitan-Vickers (MV) British Thompson-Houston and one 105 MW Metropolitan-Vickers
 * B station:Two 100 MW and one 72 MW Metropolitan-Vickers

What is the deal with the manufacturer? Is it MV or BTH? (No, BTH was not owned by MV, it was owned by AEI.)-62.155.199.148 (talk) 18:40, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Chimneys
I think it's worth pointing out that the chimneys are currently, as of late 2015, mostly dismantled - this is quite noticeable in the flesh but, irritatingly, I can't find a good recent source that shows how the power station looks now. The official site captures the flavour and tries to address the problem of what will happen if they go bust. It would be a shame if the building is simply dismantled and then demolished entirely. This would be a good project for a Wikipedia editor with a camera and some spare time to capture images of the building as it looks now, because it's not going to look like that for much longer. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 23:10, 11 December 2015 (UTC)