Talk:Battle of Badr/Archive 2

The Day of Battle
Tweaked the wording of a couple of sentences for readability. Hope this meets with approval. SereneRain (talk) 22:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

how about you tweak the clear cut anti-Islamic message of the article by adding that the execution of ibn harith is infact disputed and has historically been disputed. The agenda driven robert [the mongoloid] spencer types has made wikipedia a truly poisonous pit of lies and biases.

Nadhr (Nazr), one of the prisoners of war, was executed after the battle of Badr for his crime of severely tormenting Moslems at Mecca. Musab has distinctly reminded him of his torturing the companions of Mohammad, so there was nothing of a cruel and vindictive spirit of the Prophet displayed towards his enemies in the execution of Nazr as it is made out by Sir W. Muir. On the other hand, his execution is denied by some critics, like Ibn Manda and Abu Naeem, who say, that Nazr Ibn Haris was present at the battle of Honain, A. H. 8, six years after that of Badr, and was presented with one hundred camels by Mohammad. Sir W. Muir himself puts down very quietly Nadhir Ibn al-Harith’s name in a footnote (Vol. IV, page 151) as a recipient of one hundred camels at Honain. The same Nadhr-bin-Harith is shown among the earliest Moslem refugees who had fled to Abyssinia. These discrepancies leave no doubt that the story of Nadhr’s execution is not a fact. … [1]

[1] A Critical Exposition of the Popular Jihad (Original 1885) – Cheragh Ali page 77 – 79 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.169.208.162 (talk) 05:43, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

The death of Abu Jahl is not there. A Muslim knocked Abu Jahl of his horse while another Muslim finished him off. Someone add that please. Huzgs627 (talk) 10:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 31 March 2022

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Battle of Badr → Raid of Badr – converting from edit request to move request on behalf of IP - no comment on merits of move (i'm monolingual). Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  10:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 18:23, 7 April 2022 (UTC)  — Relisting. Turnagra (talk) 20:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Change Article name from "Battle of Badr" to "Raid of Badr" The arabic name of this incursion is غَزْوَةُ بَدِرْ, is literally translated to the raid of badr in English. The description as a raid is also inline with the small number of combatants involved in this incursion, approximately 1400 people from both sides. 1.146.182.13 (talk) 04:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment that is grammatically poor. It would be Raid at Badr or Raid on Badr or Badr raid if renamed. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 23:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Current title seems to be far more common in English sources, per ngrams. Colin M (talk) 16:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Called Battle of Badr in Islamic sources SavageBWiki (talk) 15:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

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“Islamic State of Medina”
The article refers to Islamic Medina as “Islamic State of Medina”. Furthermore, the image used as its flag is the flag for ISIS. This should be changed as Islamic Medina was not formally called “Islamic State”, and most definitely did not use the ISIS flag given that ISIS is over 1400 years younger… 2601:600:8D80:4430:9515:526F:50DE:59A2 (talk) 16:31, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * It was meant to be the seal of the prophet, not a flag, but I've removed it now since it was too small to even see anyway, as well as resolved the imagined name issue mentioned. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh okay, got it! Thank you for clarifying that it was the Seal of the Prophet- that makes more sense. Definitely think the size of the image contributed towards the confusion. Also glad you resolved the name issue. Thank you!

Short description
regarding your addition of "(Pagan Arabs)" to the short description, these descriptions are not supposed to convey a full understanding of the subject. They should be short, and only contain the most essential. Please read Short description. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 12:42, 27 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Apaugasma It's confusing who the Quraish were. so it's better understanding that they were Pagan Arabs. Adamtaha (talk) 12:45, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you read Short description? If Quraysh is too unclear, what about First major battle in early Islam? ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 12:49, 27 August 2022 (UTC)