Talk:Battle of Barrosa

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older entries
This is one of the standard textbook examples of how/why in this period the line should defeat the column - if the line kept its nerve Rjccumbria 01:05, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

discussion moved from article page
(Warning, this is not a very accurate version of the battle, the battle comprised of two simultanious actions, one on the hill, and one near some woods. It was near the woods that the eagle was taken, not on the hill. The British marched to recapture the hill, as, if the French held the hill, they could march into the flank of the other British troops. This page needs to be edited to provide a more accurate description of the battle.) - left on the article page by MJCamp01 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gomm (talk • contribs) 01:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
 * MJCamp01 was completely correct in his/her comment; the article as it stood was nonsense.  I have just finished updating it to reflect actual facts, but I would very much appreciate new references in the article.  Weller or Oman would be good - unfortunately, I don't have access to them at the moment, so I've relied on Paget and a couple of web-sites for my refs, but I'd like to see Weller and/or Oman cited on occasion. Carre 20:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

8eme's Eagle and Laurel
I've put a tag on the statement that the laurel on the captured eagle was from the 8eme Ligne's actions at Talavera. The only online source I've been able to find about the laurel is http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/c_capturedflags.html, which claims the laurel was awarded due to actions at Austerlitz, but I'm not sure of how trustworthy that source is - it looks pretty good to me, anyway. Additionally, Bernard Cornwell's book Sharpe's Fury indicates Austerlitz as the source of the laurel, but of course that's a work of fiction and hence definitely not citable, although Cornwell usually researches his novels pretty well.

Agree with the comment on the accuracy of this whole article too. The order of battle is wrong, and to suggest that all the casualties on the British/Spanish side were British is an insult to the Portuguese who fought alongside the Brits. Carre 11:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Regency numbers
Could the IP address who changed the number of people in the Regency governing Cádiz please provide a source, since the only reference I have (Glover) clearly states three, and it is that source that's cited. Without a proper citation to support the number five, I shall revert.

Note that I have no problem with the change in number, but the change contradicts the article's current citation, and as such must be removed, or the citation provided. I'll revert in a few days if citation isn't forthcoming. Thanks. Carre 21:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

About number of regents
There was five persons appointed to replace the Junta: -Pedro de Quevedo y Quintano; -Francisco Saavedra; -Francisco Javier Castaños; -Antonio de Escaño; y, -Esteban Fernández de León

See http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/servlet/SirveObras/02581641089125151867857/p0000001.htm#I_1_ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.132.194 (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Carre 21:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I don´t know if there is an english translation for this document, would you accept the link to the spanish page?

The real name for Beguines is Begines, for Antonio Begines de los Ríos. About La Peña, I am not sure of his real first name, some sources write Miguel instead.

I´m translating your article to spanish, it´s still under construction, you can see it at Batalla de Chiclana--83.61.132.194 21:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've put the Spanish link in for now, but if you can find an English translation, that'd be good. Thanks for the correction on Begines's name - my sources all use the spelling in the article, so I'm not sure whether to change it or not.  I can't find a WP article under either spelling.  If sources vary on La Peña, I think I'll leave it as I have it, since all my sources (and citations) use Manuel - I have seen "de la Peña" on occasion though. Carre 21:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

GA review
I have taken on Battle of Barrosa for review under the Good Article criteria, as nominated on the Good article candidates page by Carre. You'll be pleased to hear that the article meets none of the quick-fail criteria, so I will shortly be conducting an in-depth review and will post the results below.

Where an article is not an outright pass, but requires relatively minor additional work to be brought up to GA standard, I will normally place it on hold - meaning that editors have around a week to address any issues raised. As a precaution to prevent failure by default should this occur, if editors are likely to be unavailable over the next ten days or so, feel free to leave a message on my talk page so we can arrange a more convenient time for review. Regards, EyeSerene TALK 13:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * NOTE GA nomination delisted at the nominator's request: the article already has an A-class rating. EyeSerene TALK 17:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Redlinks
Nice aricle, but there is no need to refrain from linking sensibly, even for items that are currently redlinks. For example, the first HMS Barossa - HMS Barossa (1860) - should be linked, like the second one is. -- !! ?? 00:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I was unsure about this, since I've seen a number of FACs complain about redlinks, suggesting either creating stubs or removing the link; I've already created a couple of stubby articles to support this one, but don't know enough about other subjects that could/should be linked (Leval, for example) to be able to do more. Carre 11:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

London Gazette ref
I've been going around updating references to the London Gazette to use LondonGazette, primarily because a recent change to the Gazette website broke all previous links to individual gazettes - I note that here some fixed this fairly quickly. Unfortunately this template does not generate the page anchor which cite does, so isn't entirely compatible with the referencing style used on this page, which means either leaving the reference in its current form, which leaves it vulnerable if (when) the website is changed again, or using the template, but losing the ability to jump to the full cite from the footnote. I'll leave the decision to regular editors of the page, rather than trying to impose my own solution. -- David Underdown (talk) 17:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

William Light
A minor matter in the "consequences" section but Light was not Governor of South Australia but Surveyor General. Baska436 (talk) 06:55, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Dang, man
I'm only halfway through Sharpe's Fury. This page needed a "Spoiler Alert" banner. :-D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.22.160.1 (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Strength & Casualty figures
The figures in the information box are incoherent. "10,000[1]-10,160" "1,540–1,640-2,800"

Really? Silent noodling with figures in this way has a tendency to render trivial both the issue and the article. If there is a discussion to be had regarding relative strengths of opposing forces in this battle (or any other) then surely that  belongs in the main body of the article

The Bodart entry, the one source cited in this section, details: 12,000 'Anglo-Spanish' with 2,800 casualties 10,000 French wih 3000 casualties

I shall amend the section, inserting those figures unalloyed. They have the merit of providing a clear idea of the size of the forces engaged and the proportion of casualties suffered. If there are more recent, more reliable figures available, I trust they can been inserted at some future date.

JF42 (talk) 10:36, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree - Bodart over exerts casualty figures & it would be better for more reliable sources particularly a break down of regimental casualties. Eastfarthingan (talk) 13:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC)