Talk:Battle of Cedynia

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Rmhermen 02:15, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Are Graf Dietrich von der Nordmark, Markgraf Hodo, and Oda von Haldensleben all the same person?
 * Is Cedynia/Cydinia called Zehden in German?
 * What was Czcibor's role? One German source said it was his battle (maybe implying Mieszko wasn't there) Our page on Mieszko says that Czcibor died at this battle.


 * I'm hoping to get my hands on a much better book about the battle eventually to further expand this article eventually...


 * As for second - Yeah.


 * As for Czcibor - he died in this battle as I recall

Programming Hamster 14:39, Mar 13th, 2006 (CET)

Czcibor didn't die in the battle, he died long time after the battle and the exact date of his death is not known (but it could have been even 10 or more years after the battle). As for Zehden - Cedynia was part of Brandenburg since 1252, before that it was part of Poland - so why location of the battle which took place before 1252 is given as "Zehden, Brandenburg - since 1945 Cedynia, Poland"?

Here is an article about Czcibor from Polish wikipedia:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czcibor

As you can see nothing is mentioned that he was KIA in the battle and it is written: "zm. po 24 czerwca 972" ("died after 24 June 972"). Footnote No 6 says "Czcibor wasn't mentioned among KIA in the battle, so he died after the battle." If it comes to the battle of Cedynia in popular culture, a battle scene showing the battle of Cedynia can be found in Polish movie "Gniazdo" from 1974:

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fxvT72AttE&NR=1

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feqXqcRLITc

If it comes to Hodo - as you can see in the movie he was captured and then released by Mieszko. Btw - what sources say that Hodo wasn't captured and escaped from the battlefield? Thietmar doesn't write whether he escaped or was released from captivity after the end of the battle if I'm correct.

Peter558 (talk) 01:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

A lot of POV based on a single source from a large debate
The article is currently based mostly on one German-based article in part by a very young historian Paweł Migdalski(1979)(I don't know if that article was written when he was at Greisfwald University), who took part in far wider climate of debate regarding history of the battle. It seems somewhat strange that this important article should be based solely on this source alone. If anything other views from the debate he took part in should be included.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 13:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)