Talk:Battle of Dürenstein

Still a stub?
Is this article still considered a stub? Aprogressivist 13:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

various bits and pieces not in the article
Mortier's force included the 100th Line Infantry,. Digby Smith (Napoleon's Regiments) shows 3 killed, 4 mortally wounded and 17 wounded (not mortally), including Colonel Retay. Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

A note on citation style

 * These citations are consistent with MOS. The first mention of a source in a footnote has the full source; subsequent citations use a shortened version (name, page).  If more than one book from the same author is cited, a one or two word title is added: Author, Title, page #. If the same source is cited sequentially, the named ref template has been used.
 * Rationale: Re Verifiability. To establish that a source, especially one used throughout an article, is both verifiable and reliable, it important to put the information on that source up front.  Consequently, the first entry includes all relevant material on citing the source.  This obviates the need for the reader to scroll to the bibliography to find the information, and then scroll back to the proper place in the page.
 * Also please see: Style for any further questions: Once a style is selected for an article it is inappropriate to change to another, unless there is a reason that goes beyond mere choice of style.[5] :Consistency: An overriding principle is that style and formatting should be consistent within a Wikipedia article, though not necessarily throughout Wikipedia as a whole. Being consistent within an article promotes clarity and cohesion. Therefore, even where the Manual of Style permits alternative usages, be consistent within an article. Auntieruth55 (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Things learned along the way
While writing this article, some of the editors have already figured out that the article for this place, rather than the battle, is at Dürnstein. We know that, not only from the variant names listed in the lead and the infobox, but also from the use of Dürenstein piped links.

So why in the world does this remain hidden away, with Dürenstein, Duerenstein, and Durenstein redlinks? All of them should redirect either to this article, or to the Dürnstein article, or either be or redirect to a disambiguation page. See Redirect and Disambiguation. Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * okay, so I've created redirects for the towns, and should create them for the battle as well?Battle of Dürnstein, Battle of Duerenstein, and Battle of Durenstein Auntieruth55 (talk)


 * Dürnstein is the German/Austrian spelling.
 * Duerenstein when one does not have access to the "umlaut" on the preceding letter.
 * Durenstein & Durrenstein are French spelling of Dürnstein.
 * As for the battle, in German it is:
 * Das Gefecht bei Dürnstein-Loiben,
 * Das Gefecht bei Dürnstein, and:
 * Die Schlacht von Dürnstein (= Schlacht von Loiben)
 * --Frania W. (talk) 01:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I created redirects on the town, and it worked for the battle too. So it works.  Gene's directions are always oblique.  :)  Thanks for your support with this Frania.  Auntieruth55 (talk) 03:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

lead
rather than "surrounded", i would prefer something like "French reconnaissance; meeting engagement between Russians and French; isolated French corps north of the Danube ambushed; after Ulm, before Austerlitz" it does need a tightening, summary Pohick2 (talk) 16:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

quote: "Mortier obligingly walked into the trap on 11 November, but proved indigestible, driving off -- with some help from Dupont --all three columns, though with heavy casualties. The next day, he moved most of his corps to the south bank, maintaining possession of only Spitz and Weissenkirchen on the north bank.  Napoleon, aware of Morier's danger and his own culpability for it, vented his frustration on Murat, whom he unjustly accused of abandoning Mortier for the empty glory of riding through Vienna." Military History and Atlas of the Napoleonic Wars, Esposito, Elting, map 52, good work Pohick2 (talk) 16:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added this in, but I'll need the full citation for the book, please. Auntieruth55 (talk) 17:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Melk?
Sorry to nit-pick, but how could Kutuzov have held his council of war at Melk Abbey on the evening of 10 November? The abbey is south of the Danube and about 35 km upstream from Krems, where Kutuzov had already led the Coalition forces across to the north bank of the river and then destroyed the bridge behind them. The Russians were already skirmishing with Gazan's division.

Did Kutuzov really stay on the south bank, and ride upriver for his council? Or perhaps the council was at the abbey in Krems? Or perhaps the council was at Krems, but earlier? (Not sure what the source for this, but the Digby Smith online article on Schmitt suggests he met Kutuzov at Krems on 6 November; was this the "council'?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.247 (talk) 19:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

French victory
Is it fair to say that the French won this? The article makes it seem like the Coalition won, which is also what German Wikipedia says. Brutannica (talk) 02:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd say indecisive since the French extricated themselves, but definitely not a French victory. Checkn8 (talk) 04:16, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Though the French did put it on the Arc de Triomphe de l'Étoile. Checkn8 (talk) 04:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

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