Talk:Battle of Goychay

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 * 'The Red Army forces, which began to gather at Kazi-Magomed Station, set off on 10 June to go to Ganja, then capital of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. There was a small military unit consisting of Georgians and Azerbaijanis against the Red Army. Georgian-born Levan Makalov was the commander of this group.[2] The coalition forced seized the Syghyr Station on 10 June. During this time, Shaumian learned that the Ottoman military forces had not yet reached Ganja. Armenian residents of Ganja were clashing with the Ottoman–Azerbaijani troops. He wanted to take advantage of this situation, which was in favor of the Baku Commissioner.[3] The seizure of the Syghyr Station was highly encouraging to Shaumian. On a telegram he sent to Vladimir Lenin, he wrote:'

needs to be edited so that aren't so many short, stopping sentences. I would do this, but I don't have the sources so I thought it best that you do it. More comments soon. Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 12:05, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello there, I tried to have less sentences and more run-on sentences as much as possible. Hope it is okay enough. Good luck! --► Sincerely:  Sola Virum  14:30, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

'during the beginning of the battle, number of Turkish military forces that have reached Azerbaijan was less than 5 thousand. While number of Red Army forces had surpassed 30 thousand with the arrival of Armenian groups'. I'm guessing this has been poorly translated, but my guess is that it should read 'during the beginning of the battle, the number of Turkish military forces that had reached Azerbaijan was less than five thousand. Meanwhile, the number of Red Army forces had surpassed thirty thousand with the arrival of Armenian groups' Comments:
 * 'Armenian groups' to 'Armenian soldiers' or something like that?
 * The Red Army would no longer be the Red Army if the Armenians were in there. Instead, does it mean the coalition forces?
 * It might be worth removing the quote as it does cause a little trouble, but if you do want to keep it, please try and translate it well, as we need to accurately mirror what the expert was saying. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 15:50, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I also have concerns with 'The number of Azerbaijani soldiers who fought in the battle is unknown, but it had to be less than 5,000, as the first military institution, the Azerbaijani Special Corps (ASC), led by Ali-Agha Shiklinski which was established on 26 June, consisted of less than 5,000 men, although their possible involvement is unclear.' Could you translate the source in the area that says this and tell me what it says, so that I can write up something easier to understand. I've tried my best but, without the source, it is still confusing. Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 15:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

This is a little confusing 'under the overall supervision of the Grigory Korganov. However, Bicherakhov did not fully obey Grigory Petrov's orders' so, are these two people supposed to be different, or are they the same person, just a mistake? Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 16:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

'The members of the army in Ganja came to the conclusion that there was no physical barrier between them and the railway, and that this situation would pose a great threat to the capital' clarification needed. what railway are we talking about? What would pose a threat to the capital? Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 16:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi there. I have copyediting this article but was struggling, especially in the Comparison of Forces and First assault sections. Please could take a look and see what you can do. I was asking as you are a lot more experienced than I am, and I really am struggling with some of the text. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 16:15, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


 * In the original text, it says "erməni dəstələri" which is translated as Armenian groups, but "Armenian detachments" can also be used.
 * The translation of Görüryılmaz's work to Azerbaijani states: "Savaşın başladığı dövrdə Azərbaycana çatan türk hərbi qüvvələrinin sayı beş min belə deyildi. Qızıl Ordu qüvvələrinin sayı isə erməni dəstələrin qatılması ilə 30 mini aşmışdı". No mention of a coalition there, but technically speaking, yes it was a coalition of two separate groups.
 * Now that part is bit interesting. The only fact I could find about the Azerbaijani forces is that there were less than 5 thousand of soldiers fighting for Azerbaijan. In "Birinci Dünya hərbində Türk hərbi, Qafqaz cəbhəsi, III ordu hərəkatı" it mentions Ali-Agha's involvement in the battle, and during that time, he did led an army that had 5.000 members.
 * That one is from Paul Muratoff's book. I couldn't access the original, so I had to translate a text from this article. I think I made a mistake there. In reality, G. Petrov did not obey Bicherakhov's orders, not the opposite.
 * I believe that the original text refers to a railway that stretches from Baku to West, as shown here. There is this text from Rail transport in Azerbaijan: "The first long-distance railway line was opened in 1883, which led from Baku to Tbilisi in Georgia". Only railway line that goes from Baku to Tbilisi passes from Ganja. And in here it mentions a railway line that compassed Baku, Ganja and Tbilisi.

I hope my comments were helpful enough. --► Sincerely:  Sola Virum  23:16, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey ! Thank you for working on the article. But I'd like to mention some stuff.


 * In the "At the time of the attack, the reserve forces..." part you have added the whose? template. The text refers to the Ottoman-Azerbaijani coalition forces. So, it would be: "At the time of the attack, the Ottoman-Azerbaijani reserve forces..."
 * In the quote "Many of our soldiers fighting in this fierce warm died of dehydration. Since you're not joining the army, at least you have to help by carrying food and water for these soldiers", you have changed warm to war, which is wrong. The original quote is like this: "Bu şiddətli istidə savaşan əsgərlərimizdən bir çoxu susuzluqdan ölmüşdür. Madam ki, könüllü olaraq orduya qatılmırsınız, heç olmazsa bu əsgərə yemək və su daşıyaraq yardım etməniz lazımdır". The word we are talking about is "istidə", which can be translated as "in warmth" or "in heat".

Good luck! --► Sincerely:  Sola Virum  10:15, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello: I had a great deal of difficulty deciphering the meaning in some sentences. Hence the "misunderstandings". I have made the corrections as you have suggested. I'll point out that you can make these changes, or any others where I've erred, yourself. Twofingered Typist (talk) 11:51, 15 September 2019 (UTC)