Talk:Battle of Haldighati/Archive 1

Tremendous inaccuracies

 * `Abd al-Qadir Bada'uni was only a participant in the battle not a general but rather a junior officer who barked zero commands on the field; in fact he requested his general if he could fire arrows at the enemy.
 * The general Asaf Khan of the battle was actually Asaf Khan I named Khwaja Abdul Majid. But mistakenly in the article the one mentioned is Asaf Khan IV named Abul Hasan the son of Mirza Ghiyas Beg whom Emperor Akbar had not known. He was introduced to Jahangir when he became emperor in early 1600s much later than the battle.Furthermore Abul Hasan was significant in history after Jahangir when Shah Jahan became emperor.--173.73.124.18 (talk) 09:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Copyright concerns
There is significant reason for concern that this article may improperly use content from the 1996 edition of the Encyclopedia Indica. While the book is only visible in snippet view, there are some direct quotations that Google book identifies as matches:
 * "Nearly all of Pratap's fellow rajput chiefs had meanwhile entered into the vassalage of the mughals" p.72
 * "Living a life on the run, the dream of reconquering Chittor (and thus reclaiming the glory of Mewar) was..." p. 72
 * "The third Jauhar of Chittor transpired, with the ladies of the fort finding "safety from personal dishonour in the devouring element (fire)," while the remaining menfolk sallied forth to certain death in the battlefield. Prior to this calamity, Udai Singh" p. 71
 * "Nearly all of Pratap's fellow rajput chiefs had meanwhile entered into the vassalage of the mughals" p. 75
 * "Pratap particularly insulted Akbar's special envoy, Raja Man Singh of Amber (Jaipur)." p. 75
 * "Although the marriage of Rajput noblewomen to muslim grandees would shortly become a pervasive trend..." p. 75
 * "While accounts vary a.f. to the exact strength of the two armies, all sources concur that th mughal forces greatly outnumbered Pratap's" p. 73

We can't leave an article published with this much substantial concern of copying from a copyrighted source. Its publication in 1996 would seem conclusive evidence that it predates our use.

Unless we can somehow prove the content is public domain (as if, for instance, both copied from a much older work), the page will need to be rewritten or turned into a redirect again.

Interested editors are invited to supply any information about the source and especially any older sources that may also use this text or to rewrite the article in the space for rewriting linked from the template on the article's face. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Battle of Haldighati
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Battle of Haldighati's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Chandra": From First Battle of Panipat: Chandra, Satish. Medieval India: From Sultanat to the Mughals, Vol. 2, (Har-Anand, 2009), pp. 27-31. From Rana Sanga:  From Akbar:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:51, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Outcome of the war
According to historical books, The Battle of Haldighati was an indecisive battle since the Mughals failed to capture or kill Maharana Pratap and the Rajputs failed to defend their territories. Both sides failed to complete their objective. TheNewSMG (talk) 08:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Source:http://www.chittorgarh.com/maharana-pratap.asp
 * --It may be high time you go through what constitutes a reliable source.As an Indian, I know about Rajasthan Government's initiative/wishes to change the outcome at The Battle of Haldighati; true to the work-styles and policies of the BJP state-govt. in power.But that has got hardly anything to do here.NCCERT/State books never were, never are and never will be reliable sources.The state-books may write anything as to the will(s) and notions of the ruling govt. and that can be fed to the students reading in the schools but we, here, hardly care.Period. Winged Blades Godric 12:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with the outcome of the battle. Most sites that are "not reliable" state the war was indecisive. I really want to know where it says "Mughal victory" on a non-biased site because as much as I know the war never had a CLEAR result.

All these 5 sites state that the war was indecisive and really, why would these sites want to misguide people?? I understand that these sites may not be reliable but still, not all of the information on them is incorrect.


 * http://www.chittorgarh.com/maharana-pratap.asp
 * http://neoias.com/index.php/neoias-current-affairs/660-the-battle-of-haldighati
 * http://indiaopines.com/maharana-pratap-battle-of-haldighati-history/ (Only this site has reference)
 * http://www.mapsofindia.com/history/battles/battle-of-haldighati.html
 * http://www.freepressjournal.in/webspecial/maharana-pratap-vs-akbar-who-won-the-battle-of-haldighati/1064925

TheNewSMG (talk) 14:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The battle was indecisive...historian satish chandra in his book himself wrote...calling it a victory or loss will be distortion of history (Satish Chandra;Vol-II; p-120 to 121). Anyone calling it “victory” or “defeat” is distorting history. Please Refer To the Source Specified http://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.in/2015/06/battle-of-haldighati-inscription.html#.WpEnD7ynHIU Satish Chandra;Vol-II; p-120 to 121 Shakta11 (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Proof? Quote?
 * Proof and quotes of Mughal victory, one of which you blantantly removed without consensus.


 * The Mughal Empire at War, Andrew de la Garza, page 56, "One year later the Rajputs attempted a similar all-out charge at Haldighati. The result was an even more decisive Mughal victory."
 * Studies in Mughal History, Ashvini Agrawal, page 7, "Therefore Akbar sent Man Singh at the head of a Mughal army to attack Mewar, and Rana Pratap opposed them at Haldighati. A deadly contested battle was fought in which the Mughal army was victorious.."
 * War: An Illustrated History, Jeremy Black, " At Haldighati (1576), a Mughal force defeated a Rajput army, because only the Mughals had musketeers...."
 * "Firearms: A Global History to 1700, Kenneth Warren Chase, page 132, "... Mughal victories there and at lesser encounters at Tukaroi in 1575 and Haldighati in 1576 dissuaded others from challenging them in the field."
 * FYI, blogs are not reliable sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:54, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Use common sense, as the only target of a war or battle is almost everytime conquest or invasion in human history thus it is clear that Akbar wants to conquer the region and this was his sole goal that time as he haven't captured any other rajput king before but conquer their lands and similarly this time also he just want to conquer Mewar in which Mansingh was successful and even Conquered the city of Gogunda within the a week of his victory at Haldighati,this is never mentioned anywhere that their goal was to capture Pratap! Dashrath03 (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Information is wrong Mughals couldn't be able to capture the mewar even after the battle of haldighati it means they lose the battle according to some authentic source 3600 Mughals soldiers surrendered in front of Maharana Pratap Rish7bh (talk) 04:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2017
Yash11singh (talk) 06:59, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
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Results of the battle
According to historical books, The Battle of Haldighati was an indecisive battle since the Mughals failed to capture or kill Maharana Pratap and the Rajputs failed to defend their territories. Both sides failed to complete their objective. TheNewSMG (talk) 08:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Source:http://www.chittorgarh.com/maharana-pratap.asp

@TheNewSMG:--It may be high time you go through what constitutes a reliable source.As an Indian, I know about Rajasthan Government's initiative/wishes to change the outcome at The Battle of Haldighati; true to the work-styles and policies of the BJP state-govt. in power.But that has got hardly anything to do here.NCCERT/State books never were, never are and never will be reliable sources.The state-books may write anything as to the will(s) and notions of the ruling govt. and that can be fed to the students reading in the schools but we, here, hardly care.Period.Winged Blades Godric 12:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC) I strongly disagree with the outcome of the battle. Most sites that are "not reliable" state the war was indecisive. I really want to know where it says "Mughal victory" on a non-biased site because as much as I know the war never had a CLEAR result.

All these 5 sites state that the war was indecisive and really, why would these sites want to misguide people?? I understand that these sites may not be reliable but still, not all of the information on them is incorrect.

http://www.chittorgarh.com/maharana-pratap.asp http://neoias.com/index.php/neoias-current-affairs/660-the-battle-of-haldighati http://indiaopines.com/maharana-pratap-battle-of-haldighati-history/ (Only this site has reference) http://www.mapsofindia.com/history/battles/battle-of-haldighati.html http://www.freepressjournal.in/webspecial/maharana-pratap-vs-akbar-who-won-the-battle-of-haldighati/1064925 TheNewSMG (talk) 14:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The battle was indecisive...historian satish chandra in his book himself wrote...calling it a victory or loss will be distortion of history (Satish Chandra;Vol-II; p-120 to 121). Anyone calling it “victory” or “defeat” is distorting history. Please Refer To the Source Specified http://mariam-uz-zamani.blogspot.in/2015/06/battle-of-haldighati-inscription.html#.WpEnD7ynHIU Satish Chandra;Vol-II; p-120 to 121 Shakta11 (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Proof? Quote? Proof and quotes of Mughal victory, one of which you blantantly removed without consensus. The Mughal Empire at War, Andrew de la Garza, page 56, "One year later the Rajputs attempted a similar all-out charge at Haldighati. The result was an even more decisive Mughal victory." Studies in Mughal History, Ashvini Agrawal, page 7, "Therefore Akbar sent Man Singh at the head of a Mughal army to attack Mewar, and Rana Pratap opposed them at Haldighati. A deadly contested battle was fought in which the Mughal army was victorious.." War: An Illustrated History, Jeremy Black, " At Haldighati (1576), a Mughal force defeated a Rajput army, because only the Mughals had musketeers...." "Firearms: A Global History to 1700, Kenneth Warren Chase, page 132, "... Mughal victories there and at lesser encounters at Tukaroi in 1575 and Haldighati in 1576 dissuaded others from challenging them in the field." FYI, blogs are not reliable sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:54, 24 February 2018 (UTC) Luckyrajsinh01 (talk) 14:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

You can visit that tweet have references - https://twitter.com/Vyasonmukh/status/1275544594235588608?s=19

आदर्श (talk) 07:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Army Strenght
Its not mere 5000..even in case of 3rd seize of chittorgarh in akbarnama they wrote '300' women commited jauhar while it was indeed some thousand women.. Shakta11 (talk) 18:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

That were outside besiegers not inside defenders thus as long as they entered the city most of women had already Burned thus the remaining bodies shown around 300 Dashrath03 (talk) 19:56, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2020
I should make the editors aware that this topic is one which is at the center of communal politics in India. I request a neutral party to go through the following changes: 1. The Battle of Haldighati was a hollow victory for the Mughals, as they were unable to oust Maharana Pratap. - This sentence is unnecessary and seems heavily biased against the Mughals. Therefore, must be REMOVED. 2. There were Rajput soldiers on both sides. At one stage in the fierce struggle, Badayuni asked Asaf Khan how to distinguish between the friendly and enemy Rajputs. Asaf Khan replied, "Shoot at whomsoever you like, on whichever side they may be killed, it will be a gain to Islam." - The statement is strongly controversial and the sources it cites are absolutely incorrect because they do not mention the same anywhere. Here is a link to one of the sources cited which does not contain any such comment: https://archive.org/details/cu31924024056503/page/n107 The other one cites it but does not clear its sources in doing so. https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.45667/page/n9 Therefore, I request that the second citation be marked to being dubious or of poor credibility and the first citation to be REMOVED. Satvik7 (talk) 04:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2021
The result mentioned in the page is "Mughal Victory" but this source clearly said that "Maharana Pratap Ji won the Battle of Haldighati" 182.69.128.217 (talk) 01:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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War result
No single Indian Historian cited that Mughals got Victory in that war but the wikipedia page is showing that mughals won that war आदर्श (talk) 07:51, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Their are so many sources claims a decisive Mughal victory here also this is a common thing that if an army fled with it's leader clearly means who won and who lost. Aninahelaarg980 (talk) 12:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2021
103.92.41.126 (talk) 08:23, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Kindly remove this part that "mughal victory" because there is no evidence of that. Also, now archaeologist department has proven this fact.Chander Shekher Sharma,An associate professor at Meera Girls College in Udaipur, based his findings on land records from the 16th century and said that for a year after the 18 June battle in 1576, Maharana Pratap distributed land in villages near Haldighati by handing out land rights inscribed on copper plates that has the signature of the Diwan of Eklingnath.
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That land grant occurred when mewaris reconquer haldighati region from Mughals 9 years after Haldighati, it doesn't means that they won in 1576 and various sources prooves that Pratap and his lefover army fled from the battlefield than how can u say that a fleeing army is considered winner? Aninahelaarg980 (talk) 12:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 July 2021
Please correct spelling mistakes from Kachwa to Kachhwaha and Ramshah Tanwar to Ramshah Tomar, as his son is named as Shalivahan Singh Tomar, in the same page. Aishtomar (talk) 06:47, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:28, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 August 2021
the number of soldiers is given wrong, Mughals had an army of 80,000 and rajputs had an army of 8000. While most of the rajputs perished the inflicted heavy casualties on Mughal. About 30,000 Mughals were found dead 2409:4055:201:4EAB:0:0:1462:30A5 (talk) 06:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ totally unsourced --Arjayay (talk) 07:22, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

This is completely fake as according to Ain-e-Akbari, a mansabdar's rank can be between 10 to 5000 and Mansingh being the top mansabdar could have as high as 5000 not more than that, here historians assumed that during his march Mansingh recruited some other soldiers from his hometown Amer between 1000 to 4000 thus that total army at Haldighati is finalised between 5000 and 10000, ur 80000 is just a folklore and a single mansabdar can't receive such huge army Aninahelaarg980 (talk) 12:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Officialy history change by india government this wrong information you give to our generation
2402:3A80:1B96:D369:0:47:8A58:2501 (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No sources are provided. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 August 2021
Submitting a request to change the 'Mughals were victors' to "Victor were Sisodiyas" ASI has also confirmed it that the winner in battle of haldighati was Maharana Pratap ji Ucchiiha itachi7 (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


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Victors were Mughals as claimed by the oldest thus most reliable source Akbarnama Aninahelaarg980 (talk) 12:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Request to edit some changes
Submitting a request to change the 'victors were mughals' to "Victor were Sisodiyas" ASI has also confirmed it that the winner in battle of haldighati was Maharana Pratap ji Ucchiiha itachi7 (talk) 20:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 20:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

ASI just shown some land grants of 16th century which doesn't proofs anything for this battle as we know that from 1576 to 1585 the Mughals ruled that region and then retaken by Mewaris ans that land grant happened then after which doesn't means mughals never ruled and that Battle is clear and even a decisive Mughal victory Aninahelaarg980 (talk) 12:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Victor were sisodiyas and it is even proved. If Maharana would not won then why akbar attacked mewar again? कुंवर अभिनेंद्र प्रताप सिंह चिब (talk) 06:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Need to review and edit the final result of the war
Hi there, The page states that the Mughals won the war, however there is no evidence of who actually won it. The Rajputs claim that Maharana Pratap won it as they did not retreat and there are evidences of land rights distributed under the regime of Maharana Pratap a couple of years after the war. Some claim that Mughals won it as they held ground. However, Maharana Pratap was neither captured nor did the Mughals ruled over the land held by the Mewar kingdom. Maharana Pratap continued to rule over it so I really think there needs to be a change in the page. I would really like to read if you have some evidences for the mention of Mughals winning the war. I certainly feel since none of the things that would explain the victory of either side happened, it would be best to keep it something around "No Final Result." Simply giving credits to one side without any backing is actually an insult to a great warrior who ruled even after the war.

Thanks :) 123.201.67.106 (talk) 17:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There is more than enough evidence to state that Mughals won the battle of Haldighati. Rarely had any historian stated otherwise. Capturing of the general or king isn't the only measurement of victory and defeat. Mughal army later left Mewar, after spending some time at Gogunda, so they didn't retreat from battlefield and went forward. Regarding issuance of land grants by Pratap, he may have hold over the nearby territory but from that it can't be inferred that Rajputs didn't lose the battle. Sajaypal007 (talk) 19:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 September 2021
Maharana pratap was victor and if akbar defeated maharana pratap then what about  the coins having print of maharana pratap singh after so many years of war 2409:4064:2D8A:7B2B:0:0:F20A:EC12 (talk) 03:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 September 2021
the sorce of haldigahti battle was won by akbar was not roght it was won by maharana partap and your socrce the mughal empire at war which contain only 4 line about this battle on page no 56 and book battel of siges which say that haldighati was in panjab but it is rajisthan their is no avidence that akbar won the battle Lakshay chuhan (talk) 12:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 October 2021
It is true that Akbar captured some territories of Maharana Pratap but it should be mentioned that Maharana Pratap again recaptured his territories and that Akbar has fight for many years with empty hands Gituparna (talk) 04:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Please show complete truth because we Indians also know the truth Gituparna (talk) 04:44, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2021
mughals not victory 2402:3A80:1F43:B7FD:9C35:D51:3A70:7D34 (talk) 16:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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