Talk:Battle of Ifoghas

Merging with Operation Panther

 * Support - Same operation of joint French / Chadian forces, that takes place in the same area. NYT Source Densaga (talk) 02:52, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The battle of the 22nd of February in which the Chadians lost 25 soldiers and killed almost 100 rebels was notable enough to warrant its own article. On the other hand Operation Panther, although mentioned a few times in the media, has not been talked that much about as the Chadian battle has. Battle of Ifoghas can remain as a sub-article of the overall article Operation Panther, a short description of the battle can be made in Operation Panther and a link can be made from there to Battle of Ifoghas. Example of this can be found in articles like Battle of Aleppo (2012–2013) where you have sub-articles to it like Battle of Anadan and Siege of Base 46, which were part of the overall Aleppo battle. EkoGraf (talk) 05:09, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You should take a look to the article on the french wikipedia, they already merged these two pages in a complete whole article, much more relevant in my opinion :Link to the page Densaga (talk) 10:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Doesn't say anywhere that we have to do the same as what is done on the French Wikipedia. Also, as to relevance, the only relevance that is important is the notability in the international media, which is actually per Wikipedia's procedure and rules. It stands to reason that the French would consider their own military operation notable, but the English Wikipedia is more international than that. EkoGraf (talk) 17:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ifoghas is the name of the whole massif, and every single source I've seen out there says that Panther's objective is to control the Ifoghas massif, which is being done by French, Chadian and MNLA forces alike. So if you are so deadset on this "battle" being different from the whole operation (campaign?), shouldn't it be under a different name? By the way, the location of the battle is wrong: Kidal - the city - is not on the Ifoghas, nor is the place where the Chadians and the Islamists are fighting right now. The Ifoghas is on the Kidal Region of which Kidal is the capital, however. I'm changing that back again.--Menah the Great (talk) 20:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You obviously didn't listen to what I said. I am not deadset on this battle being different from the whole operation. That's totally to the contrary of what I proposed. What I have acknowledged is that this battle IS part of the overall operation Panther, but that the battle of 22nd February is notable enough to have its own article. The battle of the 22nd of February will still be talked about in the article operation Panther, but will be talked about in more detail in the article Battle of Ifoghas. I have proposed as a compromise that Battle of Ifoghas be a sub-article of operation Panther, just like, per my examples up above, individual battles in a larger campaign can warrant their own articles (Battle of Aleppo main article - Anadan and Base 46 subarticles). Also, it wasn't me who put the location of the battle as Kidal, it was one of the other editors who edited the article. EkoGraf (talk) 01:44, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ifoghas is a short name of the Adrar des Ifoghas, it's not really a complete name for the article, which I would propose to change it to Amettetaï valley where all the fighting actually took place or just Tigharghâr, the massif where it took place. It would make it more accurate, it's like saying the Battle of Atlas, which takes place in the Atlas mountains, but your not specifically stating the exact location, it could be mountain range or village, like Fragejms, which i just made up. Like EkoGraf said it's notable enough to have it's own article, just cause French Wikipedia has operation Panther with Ifoghas doesn't mean we must do the same thing. I also added a lot of information about the battle that I obtained from French sources, that wasn't there when this conversation began. 13 April 04:13 (UTC)