Talk:Battle of Khaybar

date of the battle
the date of the battle is stated with 629

in the list of expeditions of Muhammad the date of this battle is mei/June 628 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad (Nr. 53) with this footnote:

Watt, W. Montgomery (1956). Muhammad at Medina. Oxford University Press. p. 2. ISBN 978-0195773071. Muhammad had thus a straightforward reason for attacking Khaybar. The moment he chose for the attack May /June 628 (i/y) shortly after his return from the expedition of al-Hudaybiyah was one when it was also convenient for him to have booty to distribute to his followers whose expectations had recently been disappointed.

so what is the right date?

"to be exempted from military service"
Is that a euphemism for being prohibited from owning weapons, armor, mounts and learning and practicing fighting skills?

Renaming request
In my personal opinion, this article should be renamed from "Battle of Khaybar"->"Siege of Khaybar"

as per Merriam Webster definition of warfare involving permanent defensive structure:

a : a military blockade of a city or fortified place to compel it to surrender b : a persistent or serious attack (as of illness)

2 obsolete : a seat of distinction : throne lay siege to 1 : to besiege militarily 2 : to pursue diligently or persistently

link to Merriam Webster

while from wikipedia itself, Siege were defined by

''A siege is a military blockade of a city, or fortress, with the intent of conquering by attrition, or a well-prepared assault. This derives from Latin: sedere, lit. 'to sit'.[1] Siege warfare is a form of constant, low-intensity conflict characterized by one party holding a strong, static, defensive position. Consequently, an opportunity for negotiation between combatants is not uncommon, as proximity and fluctuating advantage can encourage diplomacy. The art of conducting and resisting sieges is called siege warfare, siegecraft, or poliorcetics.''

This is typically coupled with attempts to reduce the fortifications by means of siege engines, artillery bombardment, mining (also known as sapping), or the use of deception or treachery to bypass defenses.

applied for for Khaybar conflict as it is mentioned that each fortresses were subdued through deceptions and catapult or Dabbabah/battering ram.Ahendra (talk) 04:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not really seeing any sources that use the word "siege." I'd suggest staying with the current name per WP:COMMONNAME.  Puzzledvegetable Is it teatime already?  21:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A "siege" also doesn't seem to quite match up with the narrative presented here. That at least makes it sounds like the defenders met the Muslims in open combat outside of their defenses. In which case it would be a battle, likely followed by a siege after the defenders fell back. Brasswatchman (talk) 22:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Was Khaybar a massacre
Was Khaybar a massacre because according to modern jews it is? 81.100.240.135 (talk) 17:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * From the sound of things, I don't think there's any way for anyone to know for certain at this point. One could debate whether or not the attack was fair and if Banu Nadir actually posed a threat to Medina at that point, but that seems to me like something that would depend heavily on one's point of view. Regardless, it doesn't sound like the defenders were unarmed and unprepared. Take this guy for instance, who seems to have died in honorable single combat with Ali. No dirty tricks or cheating there on either side, for whatever it's worth. Brasswatchman (talk) 22:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Original primary sources?
Out of curiosity, what were the original primary or historical sources for the information we have on this battle? Does the Quran or certain hadiths talk about it? I presume that the information must've been originally from Muslim sources. Thanks. Brasswatchman (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)