Talk:Battle of Kinburn (1855)

Numbers
Clearing up numbers here: 8,000 British & French troops

British
 * 6 ships of the line
 * 17 Frigates & sloops
 * 10 gunboats
 * 6 bomb vessels
 * 10 transports

French
 * 4 Ships of the line plus
 * 3 floating batteries.
 * 3 Corvettes
 * 4 Avisos
 * 12 gunboats
 * 5 bomb vessels

Hope this helps are these figures confirmed. Which nation had more troops? Eastfarthingan (talk) 20:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Order of combatants
French commanders directed the battle on land and sea. They should be listed first. Listing the less senior force first is not standard practice, regardless of the number of ships involved. Parsecboy (talk) 20:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That's not how it works in other wiki articles I'm afraid. I make an example: D-Day. Eastfarthingan (talk) 20:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and ironically, a field marshal outranks a 4-star, despite the command arrangement. And best of all, it doesn’t even support your position - 73,000 Americans landed at Normandy, compared to 61,000 British troops. By your argument, the Yanks should be listed first. You want to go change the box there? Parsecboy (talk) 20:49, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you serious?? Again not how it works; let my divulge - you forget the naval element of the force: the ships are included that means their crews are as well. In case of D-Day (& I digress) out of the 195,000 Navy personnel in total; 158,000 of them British not to mention of the 1,213 warships involved, 200 were American and 892 were British; of the 4,126 landing craft involved, 805 were American and 3,261 were British. Eastfarthingan (talk) 21:08, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wonder why the box doesn’t list them... Parsecboy (talk) 21:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Any idea why the Axis forces aren’t listed by size of forces committed at the Battle of Stalingrad? Parsecboy (talk) 21:49, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Or why the French fleet isn’t factored into the ranking at Siege of Yorktown? Parsecboy (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * And damnit, 25,000 Brits are more important than 50,000 Prussians at the Battle of Waterloo. I can’t for the life of me figure out why Wellington gets first billing. It’s almost like lots of other editors disagree with your opinion. Parsecboy (talk) 21:55, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it ill it be at some point, wiki has a long way to go. Eastfarthingan (talk) 21:56, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Huh, so an example that agrees with you is evidence that you’re correct and examples that don’t are just wrong. Amazing how conveniently that works out. Are we done here? Parsecboy (talk) 21:58, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Man, the classics aren’t safe either - Leonidas gets pride of place at the Battle of Thermopylae despite providing only 5% of the Greek force. Real head-scratcher there. Parsecboy (talk) 22:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Haha can you imagine changing the Yorktown article to factor in French fleet & the sailors (there's nearly 12,000) That would be interesting to see the result. As for Waterloo I'd check the talk page? (factoring in the Prussians turned up right at the end?). As for Stalingrad the Italians should be second no doubt about that.. thanks for pointing these out! Makes for intresting scope on this discussion about numbers - I might make an attempt to change these soon. Eastfarthingan (talk) 22:06, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So you concede there are factors apart from numbers of troops committed? Oh, and what would’ve happened at Waterloo if the Prussians hadn't shown up late in the day? Parsecboy (talk) 22:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not really no.. the number of troops; as in army, navy & air force in total, present at a battle/siege should be at the top of infobox - period. There have been cases where it was done alphabetically (can't remember) but that got thrown out quickly. Eastfarthingan (talk) 22:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * So you’re going to “fix” the Yorktown, Waterloo, and Thermopylae articles now, then? Parsecboy (talk) 22:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, and World War I too, right? Parsecboy (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I certainly will. Watch this space. Eastfarthingan (talk) 22:28, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Pacific War - your workload is starting to get large. No reason to draw any conclusions from that eh? Parsecboy (talk) 22:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Eastern Front (World War I) - man, it sure isn’t hard to find examples like these... Parsecboy (talk) 22:32, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Siege of Tobruk]] - should I keep going? Parsecboy (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Pacific War.. yes scope for that. Tobruk? What's wrong with that? Eastfarthingan (talk) 22:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I’ll say it again - so there is some other factor to consider apart from the 14 million Chinese and 3.6 million Americans? Parsecboy (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there? What is the preference for Americans over Chinese? Eastfarthingan (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You tell me, since you seem to be arguing that there’s something to do with the scope of the conflict. And you haven’t gone to fix that, or any of the other articles I’ve pointed out yet. Parsecboy (talk) 23:03, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not exactly going to change overnight though is it? We've started with this one & we've made good ground for a progressive argument with this, have we not? Perhaps I will put it to WT:MILHIST for further scope. I look forward to the outcome. Good evening. Eastfarthingan (talk) 23:57, 20 April 2019 (UTC)