Talk:Battle of Klushino

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Map of the battle, Polish another picture

BTW Radosław Sikora presented quite good and convincing arguments that Polish forces at Klushino couldn't be larger than 4500 Szopen 13:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could add the apporpiate referenced argument to the article?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's the problem, I know its argument from discussion, but I had to buy the book 'cause the discussion on internet forum can hardly be considered good reference :) I won't touch the article 'till I will find it, I promise. The argumetn was that the number 6000 is taken from the list of all Polish units taking part in the adventure, and Sikora showed that at least one of that units certainly didn't participate in the battle Szopen 11:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, now that you mention it, I do believe I may have an email to Mr. Sikora, perhaps I can email him and ask for a comment on this (I think he even has an account on Wikipedias but doesn't edit them much).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Irish mercenaries
I think the 'British' mercenaries in Swedish service were in fact Irish, see Flight of the Wild Geese. This source http://www.illyria.com/irish/mcginn_irishagains.html mentions an unnamed Swedish battle against Poland around this time in which the Irish defected from the Swedes to the Poles for religious reasons. Seems like a probable match. And highly interesting, because it looks like the foreign mercenaries had a decisive role in this Polish victory. Please check this out if you have access to Klushino sources. Thanks -Chumchum7 (talk) 21:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Force numbers totally off
So there where 4000 Poles and up to 40000 Russians... Subtract the forces that didn't take part this gives..."12,300 Poles against 48,000 Russians". Hmm... 217.235.43.215 (talk) 00:22, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You don't believe but it will not change the facts. The well trained and equipped Polish hussars could easily crash the Infantry. Additionally, The Russians, however, did not know the real strength of the Poles, and how greatly they outnumbered them. - this was also a reason of failure. High/low morale is an important factor. Merewyn (talk) 18:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

B-class review
For WP:POLAND: passed, confirming the earlier MILHIST review, after some improvements to the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 17:19, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

reverted GD edits by Badud
I had to revert edits by again. While this time a reference was provided, it was a 1904 reference, without a page range (direct link to p.7-8 did not provide any useful information). Further problems include poor English in the unreferenced paragraph added (this article is B-class and should maintain the B-class requirements in language quality and references), and a claim that seems very OR and most certainly cannot be supported, even one stretched AGF, by a 1904 source ("Since 1950s during soviet occupation - soviet “historians” spread false interpretation of documents and invented 6,600-6,800 horses=soldiers"). Also, the edits removed numbers from the 1995 Nagielski book (certainly, not a Soviet-era publication). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 19:17, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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