Talk:Battle of Lake Khasan

Old talk
That didn't sound right to me. Please read the following documents, which are quite plain. Kanoen 16:42, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Coox, Alvin D. The Anatomy of a Small War: The Soviet-Japanese Struggle for Changkufeng!Khasan, 1938. Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 1977
 * Senshishitsu, ed. Senshi sosho Kantogun (戦史叢書　関東軍) (1) Tai So senbi Nomonhan jiken. Tokyo: Asagumo shimbunsha, 1971. The Japan National Defense College's official history of the Nomonhan fighting, This is the best single treatment of Nomonhan battles
 * (Battle of Halhin Gol)
 * I am not going to do any research here. I am not a historian. I wrote this text for the sole reason it was missing and it was mentioned in the article Military history of the Soviet Union. If you have another version of the beginning of the events, please present it. I am aware that I described the Soviet version of the events. The view fom the opposite side is only welcome. But you cannot remove statements without a reason presented that they are wrong or dubious.


 * So, are you saying that there was no incursion of Japanese military into the territory controlled by Soviets?. At least it is 100% clear it was not vice versa, since at the moment of conflict Soviets had a mere handful of border troops in place, and the Soviet regular army arived only several days after the conflict began. Mikkalai 02:38, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

By the way, since as I see you are working on japanese topics, please take a look at the Japanese nationalism article, currently under an intensive development by an anonymous editor. Mikkalai 03:25, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I am content with current version since I don't intend to justify Japanese action. Having a time, I will write the article in addition. Kanoen 08:10, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Train
This seems a bit contradictory to me: "In 1933, the Japanese designed and built an armored train designated "Rinji Soko Ressha" (Special Armored Train). The train was deployed at "2nd Armored Train Unit" in Manchuria and participated in the First Sino-Japanese War and the Changkufeng conflict against the Soviets transporting thousands of Japanese troops to and from the battlefield, displaying to the West the ability of an Asian nation capable of adopting and implementing Western ideas and doctrine concerning rapid infantry deployment and transportation." That part about the train being built in 1933... how could it have served in the First Sino-Japanese War? It's possible im not reading it right but that would mean it's unclear. Rossph1 21:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If the fact described is generally correct then it should have been as simple as Second Sino-Japanese War. Fixed; provisionally. `'юзырь:mikka 23:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Please make sense
So the incident ended with the Soviet victory, the Japan invaders were repelled, yet somehow the article ends with the obligatory "Poor Soviet fighting..." etc. Whoever wrote this, please try to make some sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.184.99.122 (talk) 08:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Soviet victory?
You have no idea what really happened at Lake Khasan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.28.205.242 (talk) 14:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Some moron keeps changing "japan victory" into "soviet" :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.144.76 (talk) 10:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Contradiction
On the one hand the article states:" The Japanese forces were never able to challenge the Red Army again." and in the next paragraph:" The Japanese military, while taking the lesson seriously, was willing to engage with the Soviets once more, in the more extensive Battle of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan) in the Soviet-Japanese Border War of 1939." Those sentences contradict each other. Because I have no knowledge on this subject, I am not able to change it. Wereldburger758 (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed the sentence "The Japanese forces were never able to challenge the Red Army again." as it contradicted by the following paragraph "The Japanese military, while taking the lesson seriously, was willing to engage with the Soviets once more, in the more extensive Battle of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan) in the Soviet-Japanese Border War of 1939." Perhaps the original author will clarify the intended meaning of the deleted sentence which makes no sense as it was written. Seki1949 (talk) 05:32, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "On August 10, the Japanese prime minister sent to the United States [citation needed] asked for peace and the hostilities ceased on August 11." I assume that the Japanese prime minister sent 'a note' to the United States asking for peace and that whoever added the 'citation needed' accidently deleted a few words of text. Because I have no documentation on this point, I am not going to change it. Perhaps the answer is in the revison history for someone with more skill than I to research. Seki1949 (talk) 05:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Article Battle of Lake Khansan uneducating
There is no point in this Article that has no relevant information of fact. Any Japanese Claims of Border issues ignore their own Military extensions beyond the Borders of their own Country Japan. There were no Japanese Tanks used in this engagement. There are no Soviet or Japanese accounts that are reputable that mention this.

Japenese victory?
Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.112.127.212 (talk) 05:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)