Talk:Battle of Marignano

Facts or fiction?
A beautifully written piece, but in strong need of inline citations. --Majorbolz (talk) 16:27, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Swiss
as far is i know, the swiss on the milan side were not simple mercenaries. they fought there by order of the "Tagsatzung"(government of the swiss confederation) and so were kind of an official swiss army. --84.73.212.187 18:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The Swiss role is presented somewhat differently, depending on which historian you read. It's clear that they were more involved politically than normal mercenaries; at the same time, the departure of some Swiss detachments that were paid off by Francis means that the Swiss were acting in the classic condottiere fashion rather than as an army of the Swiss Cantons themselves.  How best to present this in the article is an valid point for discussion (but the article is in such a poor state that arguing over the exact wording may be a little premature). Kirill Lokshin 19:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Marignano established the superiority of French cast bronze artillery and cavalry over the until-then invincible phalanx tactics of the Swiss infantry.
This article presents no detailed account of the battle itself, and thus does not explain how artillery + cavalry > landsknecht 85.227.226.235 (talk) 11:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's hard to say that this battle estabilished any superiority at all, since, altough being the French/Venetian army numerically superior to the Swiss both in infantry and in cavalry, the balance of the battle was broken only by the further arrival of a force of about 300 light horsemen. If one, Marignano established the superiority of receiving reinforcements at the right moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.26.216.209 (talk) 21:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

In reference to the mention of the "300 light horsemen" mentioned above, another wikipedia site, I.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomeo_d%27Alviano  Does mention and make a connection to this site, with the mention of "300 kinghts" under the leadership of Alviano! It has always struck me as confusing when I regularly find such obscene lack of co-ordination between information availabe via a mouse click, and the lack of the same information on the contributing site!69.92.23.64 (talk) 23:37, 26 April 2010 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes

Seriously that statement sounds just wrong. Neither were the Swiss previously deemed invincble, nor a phalanx, nor is there any contemporary (or other reliable) source that later claims that cannon and cavalry prevail from there on (on the contrary the usage of Landsknechts - formed after the Swiss model - continues prominently for another 50 years). Once I have time I will rewrite that passage to a more neutral pow, unless someone here bring on some sources that support that statement.ASchudak (talk) 09:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah. People tend to think as the Swiss as suddenly appearing on the European stage with the Burgundian Wars (1474-77) and the umiliating defeats they inflicted to Charles the Bold. But really the Confederation had been at war with the Duchy of Milan since 1403, alternatively winning or losing ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transalpine_campaigns_of_the_Old_Swiss_Confederacy ). Marignano had been only the final chapter of that long struggle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.117.225.64 (talk) 12:04, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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Wrong background information
Schiner didn't manage to convince all Swiss from fighting the battle. Around 10'000 Swiss soldiers accepted the deal which the French king had offered (details about the deal can be found in the German version of the article) and returned home. These were the troops from the cantons Bern, Solothurn, Freiburg, Biel and Wallis (thus their flags are also missing on all pictures). See German version for more information.