Talk:Battle of Ormoc Bay

Scope of the battle
"The Battle of Ormoc Bay was a series of air-sea battles between Imperial Japan and the United States in Ormoc Bay in the Philippines between 11 November 1944 and 21 December 1944, "

Is such an extensive definition used by anyone other than Kappes, or should the name be applied just to the 77th Division's landing on 7 Dec, and the associated naval operations, in which Ward and Mahan (and a third ship?) were sunk?


 * Some people use "Battle of Ormoc Bay" for the November 11 air raid against TA-3 and TA-4 (see for example ). Others for the December 2–3 battle with TA-7 in which Cooper and Kuwa were sunk (see for example and the US Navy's own ). The December 7 landings were another battle. In between there were other Japanese convoys, US destroyer forays and carrier and land-based air raids.


 * I think that Kappes has a strong point when he argues that the Japanese convoy operations and the US interdiction deserve a unified treatment. Gdr 00:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The designation first seems to have appeared in 1973 when the Battle of Ormoc Bay Association was founded. This was a reunion group of Navy WWII vets who served on ships that participated in operations in the Bay during November and December, 1944. However, it apparently was first used by aviators of Halsey's TF-38 to describe the actions of 11 November 1944.


 * The "scope" is entirely artificial. It completely ignores the savage battle fought between the USAAF 38th BG and TA-4 on the morning of November 10. The 38th had had its mission of the 9th cancelled and alerted, along with two heavy bomb groups and three fighter groups, for a possible attack on the 10th. It is not an accident that Kappes, a naval historian, establishes a date that excludes the USAAF part of the campaign. That wiki continues to perpetuate such artifices as this is embarrassing.--Reedmalloy (talk) 03:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Commander
The article describes the land-sea battle but the Japanese commander is listed as Tomoyuki Yamashita, the commander of the land forces defending the Philipines who merely requested the reinforcements. The operational command of the Japanese forces engaged was in the hands of the naval commanders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.218.168.202 (talk) 04:06, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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