Talk:Battle of Re'im

Result
Sources only say that Isreal recaptured the military base, not the entire village, so shouldn't the result be ongoing? Based.shqiptar.frompirok (talk) 01:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Exactly! Deus vult fratres! (talk) 09:25, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree, also "It's unclear if there were even any Hamas militants present when Israel retook the base." as @Whatever748 said in his diff summary, we don’t know much about what happened to conclude a victor yet. Stephan rostie (talk) 11:13, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2023
There was no "Battle" in Re-im, as Hamas militants fired and throw RPG and grenades on unarmed civilians at a party. Auval (talk) 10:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Don't think that attack was what this article is about Cannolis (talk) 11:13, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2023 (2)
Title: Massacre at the Nature Party Near Re'im

The massacre at the nature party near Re'im is a part of the larger sudden attack on Israel in 2023, executed by operatives of the terror organization Hamas on October 7, 2023. The assault involved a massive rocket attack on Israel along with a ground invasion, during which a nature party near Kibbutz Re'im was targeted. Participants of the nature party were subjected to gunfire and rocket attacks, leading to an unknown number of fatalities and injuries at the time the Hebrew article was written.

Background: On the morning of October 7, 2023, coinciding with the Jewish holiday of Simchat Torah, Hamas initiated a sudden attack on Israel. This operation included massive rocket fire towards Israel, ground infiltration, engagements with security forces, shooting at civilians, overtaking settlements and military installations, and abductions of civilians and security forces personnel.

The Massacre: On the morning of the invasion, October 7, 2023, a nature party was being held near Kibbutz Re'im, located near the Gaza Strip. Around 6:30 AM, Hamas commenced a rocket attack on Israel, and simultaneously, hundreds of terrorists infiltrated Israeli territory. Some of these terrorists reached the nature party, where over 3,000 people were estimated to be present at the time. The attackers arrived in vehicles and on hang gliders, opening fire on the partygoers with light weapons, anti-tank RPG missiles, and grenades. Many attendees were killed, while others were abducted to the Gaza Strip. Among the deceased was former footballer Lior Asulin. Some partygoers managed to escape to nearby areas including a nearby forest, an adjacent orange orchard, and to the nearby community of Patish in the Merhavim Regional Council. A large number of vehicles were set ablaze by the terrorists.

From the press: On October 7, 2023, during an all-night nature party near Kibbutz Re'im, chaos erupted as Hamas fired rockets and then gunfire into the crowd, causing panic and a scramble to escape among the attendees​1​. The event, described as "utter chaos," was part of a larger invasion by Hamas, during which Israeli security forces engaged with Hamas militants​2​. Hundreds of attendees fled into the desert to hide from the assault, which reportedly began with rocket fire followed by gunfire​.

This unfortunate event was a part of a sudden and violent assault on Israel, marking a dark day in the region's history.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-flee-rocket-and-gunfire-at-all-night-desert-nature-party-dozens-missing/ https://www.jta.org/2023/10/07/israel/it-was-utter-chaos-families-and-survivors-describe-the-horrors-of-hamas-invasion#:~:text=,search%20from%20Hamas%20Militants%20in https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jns/desperate-families-search-for-loved-ones-who-fled-nature-party/article_13962eed-04c7-5e43-af3f-5f2625de2be4.html https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/hundreds-israelis-flee-nature-party-near-border-after/#:~:text=%E2%80%94%20Sprinter%20,into%20the%20desert%20to%20hide

There seem to be an ongoing battle here on narrative, where Hamas sympethisers down play the horrific massacre been made on 3000 young civilians at a party near Kibbutz Re'im. Auval (talk) 11:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: there's a separate article, Re'im music festival massacre which details that attack. This article appears to focus on the attack on the military base. Not sure if this event will remain a standalone article but makes no sense to rename it now Cannolis (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2023 (3)
Please change the title to The Massacre of Re'im which is appropriate for the atrocities the Hamas has done. 77.137.73.248 (talk) 19:39, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as above Cannolis (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Nimrod Aloni was not captured, Wikipedia is spreading Iranian-Jihadi false propaganda
The IDF literally published a photo of Nimrod Aloni in the meeting with the heads of the IDF yesterday. It just goes to show what a stupid, unreliable, biased propaganda tool Wikipedia has become. Hijacked by terrorists to spread fear and psychological warfare. How pathetic! 24.206.105.29 (talk) 20:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a source for this information? If you have a source, link it and it can be corrected! Also, this would better be suited on Nimrod Aloni. This article is specifically about the battle, not the person. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ???? Brek1234567 (talk) 03:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 October 2023
1. Please change the title. This was a massacre on unarmed people in a music festival. Not a battle.

2. At least 50 armed terrorists shot unarmed civilians.

3. Terrorists surrounded the people in the party for hours in a huge parameter. There were bodies found more than 2.5 kilometers away.

4. Terrorists, afterwards, using bikes and pick-up truck looked for people hiding and gunned them down 2A10:8003:BB3:0:E06A:4B02:FA1C:7F51 (talk) 22:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: On Wikipedia this is what's called a move request (renaming a page results in moving it, and vice versa). Please consult WP:MOVEREQ, where you can find the process for requesting that a page be moved. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 13:48, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello there!
 * The title wont be changed as there is a separate page on the Re'im music festival massacre. This is an article for the battle for the village itself.
 * For the other claims, no matter if they are true, need references. If you provide these, I'll happily edit it for you. Thanks, Wikieditor019 (Talk to me) 19:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Casualties and losses
why it says that some soldiers were captured, while civilians were also captured? 2A00:A041:960:DC00:E9AD:7F4C:7D8D:2718 (talk) 03:45, 13 October 2023 (UTC)


 * inside the military installation there were no civilians. 158.51.81.47 (talk) 15:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Battle hasn't ended?
Not finding good source for if/when the battle ended, but I think it's ended.

Israel regained control of the army base on 10/7 (source) & IDF is currently performing raids into Gaza, which it said wouldn't happen until all Israel territory was recaptured. Referencer12 (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Minor edit: Nimrod Aloni's rank
In the "Leaders and Commanders" section, it should read "Maj. General Nimrod Aloni" and not just "Nimrod Aloni" Flyingbarron (talk) 09:44, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 November 2023
Minor type edit: intitiating the 2023 Israel–Hamas war Should be initiating the 2023 Israel–Hamas war Xeysx (talk) 06:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cannolis (talk) 06:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

According to one report, ALL OF of the soldiers...
« According to one report, all of the soldiers at the base were 'killed or captured' »

The report does not say so and it is not true (there are too many soldiers in the place). Please change for :

« According to one report, soldiers at the base were 'killed or captured' » Valp (talk) 16:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

“Initial Hamas victory”
The hell does this mean? Hamas lost the battle and was repulsed. This is like saying the Battle of Waterloo was an initial French victory Wordbearer88 (talk) 20:08, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Waterloo was a full British victory, given the French did not capture their objective. In this battle, Hamas captured their objective and then lost it. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:52, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The goal was not to maintain an occupation of the military site.
 * There were specifically there to inflict a cost on the IDF for the desecration of Al-Aqsa mosque by Israeli police and politicians.
 * it was a "seek and destroy" mission. 158.51.81.47 (talk) 15:14, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Source? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * These "battles" all have pointless "results". This is asymmetrical warfare. The objective wasn't to seize territory, but to wreak havoc and capture hostages, which was achieved. It is very hard for such a raid to be considered "lost". Better to say nothing. It's apples and oranges. Battle "results" are for conventional warfare. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)