Talk:Battle of Signal Hill (Vietnam)

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Please do not delete this page as it provides very important information of the Vietnam War. All work, research, and words belong to me and are not copyrighted. Thank you, Icemanwcs (talk) 04:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Jeff G. Sorry for the confusing I created and thank you for your advice. The text of this website is now released under the Creative Commons Zero Waiver 1.0 (CC0)., Icemanwcs (talk) 10:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Also, material contributed follow Wikipedia guidelines regarding conflict of interest: "But subject-matter experts are welcome to contribute to articles in their areas of expertise, while being careful to make sure that their external relationships in that field do not interfere with their primary role on Wikipedia."Icemanwcs (talk) 10:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Moreover, the text of this website is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts), Thanks, Icemanwcs (talk) 10:28, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Issues
You do realize that most of this article is a direct copy of the Vietnam magazine article? This includes the line cited to Shelby Stanton's book. Not sure how appropriate that is here. Intothatdarkness 17:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This article needs some work to bring it up to encyclopedia standards. I've started making some adjustments, and will do more as time allows. Intothatdarkness 18:37, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Intothedarkness, I saw your other comments but missed this one. I am gradually adding reference page numbers and adding and correcting detail. Thanks for the work you have performed on this and other pages, Icemanwcs (talk) 06:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Cites?
Since I don't have access to the Ankony book, can someone who does provide page numbers for the cites that use it? This would also be helpful for the magazine articles as well. Intothatdarkness 14:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear Mangoe and Intothatdarkness, I left a message on the user talk page regarding your concerns on the Battle of Signal Hill Vietnam but do not see my reply posted so I am rewriting it. The Battle of Signal Hill is notable and Lurps was cited because ten years of dedicated research went into both editions. The work is authoritative and is recognized by the U.S. Army Center for Military History, Washington, D.C., and the U.S. Army Ranger School, Fort Benning, Georgia. The Battle of Signal Hill webpage is a starting point and I plan to add new detail, secondary sources, and photos, unfortunately it all takes time, I'm only one person. Delete the work if you must, but please be aware you are throwing away relevant history and the sacrifice of many men who gave their lives to secured a remote mountaintop so thousands of other men could have vital radio communication in the most formidable enemy held territory in South Vietnam, A Shau Valley. Again, thank you very much, your concerns will be addressed if given time, Icemanwcs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.253.90 (talk) 19:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Mangoe and Intothedarkness, there are a number of issues you raise. Please be assured if given time all concerns will be addressed. The Battle of Signal Hill is discussed among other sources on p. 146 of Anatomy of a Division: The 1st Cav in Vietnam, Shelby L. Stanton, Presidio Press, Novato, Ca (1987); "No Peace in the Valley," (cover story), Vietnam magazine, Oct. 2008, 26--31; and LRRP Company Command: The Cav's LRP/Rangers in Vietnam, 1968--69, pps. 3--5, Kregg P.J. Jorgenson, Ballintine Books (2000). Regarding copyright concerns, my writings in Vietnam magazine have reverted once they were published and the partial citing of the two of editions Lurps have been encouraged by my publisher, Rowman & Littlefield, Lanham, MD. As to assuring you who I am I would be happy to call, have you call me, or for me to forward a letterhead, however, I understand that really assures nothing, There is, however, a simple way to resolve this issue and that is to call Grosse Ile Police Department, (734) 676-7100, Chief Joseph Porcarelli or Deputy Chief John Szczepaniak, who can assure my identity. Your concerns of primary sources are also valid, but again please be advised what I posted is a starting point, I need to go back and cite secondary sources. They're in my bibliography but are not listed individually as footnotes, so please allow time so I can include more specifics, add photos, and make this webpage proudly serve historians and Wikipedia alike, Icemanwcs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.253.90 (talk) 09:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied on the author's talk page. Intothatdarkness 15:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Sources are original research by Robert Ankony which ICEMANWCS admits to being
Most of this article is original research by Robert Ankony which ICEMANWCS admits to being here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Icemanwcs&oldid=641703720 When he states I am he referring to Robert Ankony. It is thoroughly linked to his own website and books which brings up a great deal of concern over promoting his personal interests above writing a great article. Surely as an author he would be familiar with many sources other than his own so it is reasonable to wonder why he would have to reference himself (toot his own horn) so often. 208.54.38.255 (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

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cyberbot II Thanks, I removed the two blacklisted links in question and hope they could be whitelisted as they provide a unique, scholarly account to certain Wikipedia pages. Regards,Icemanwcs (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Some issues and bias
This article is very far from an encyclopedia standard. It reads more like I'm cheering for my team to win. We learn the names of a dozen or so American soldiers, but not one name of any of the Vietnamese who fought there. The article goes into incredible detail about the hardships faced by the Americans, but almost none (save for some casualty numbers) for the Vietnamese. I think this article needs to do a much better job of balance for it to meet Wikipedia standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.42.234 (talk) 12:19, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


 * 121.44.42.234 (talk) If you have a source that depicts one or more names of the North Vietnamese soldiers who were at Signal Hill or in A Shau Valley at the time of this battle I will be very happy to add them. Unfortunately, in war no one records the names of the other side, just estimates of their causalities regardless of how dedicated or noble they fought. I have no argument that the North Vietnamese endeared equal or even more difficult hardships and perhaps that is something others and I can work in. Thank you, Icemanwcs (talk) 02:20, 7 November 2015 (UTC)