Talk:Battle of Toretsk

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Needs to be linked with ru:Бои за Торецк. 82.36.165.47 (talk) 17:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅ Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

How do we know the Russian military's objectives here?
Hello to all my respected fellow editors. I am attempting to verify, through reliable sources, this statement which is asserted in the lede:

I understand it may seem self-evident, but which sources have said explicitly that the objective of this Russian offensive is to take control over the city of Toretsk?

Indeed, ISW of 27 June characterized the Russian offensive in the Toretsk area as diversionary, assessed that the Russian force strength in the area was very likely insufficient for an operation to seize the town [Toretsk], and in fact speculated that Russian forces may... have no intention of making significant tactical gains in the Toretsk direction and may hope that offensive operations in the area will apply pressure on Ukrainian forces along a wider front in Donetsk Oblast and facilitate gains in the Chasiv Yar and Avdiivka directions.

Hopefully this helps demonstrate that the assertion that this battle/engagement/offensive has the definitive aim of taking control over Toretsk is not by any means a sure thing.

Ping @Flemmish Nietzsche. Thanks all. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 18:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @SaintPaulOfTarsus I don't think there's any doubt (except from that one ISW statement) that Russian forces are trying to capture Toretsk itself; all media outlets specify, or at least imply, when mentioning the offensive that the main goal is to capture the city.
 * Some articles mentioning such goal:
 * In a RFE/RL article (which has questionable reliability but is just repeating what someone said), for example, a Ukrainian colonel says that "Toretsk is likely the primary objective for Russian commanders right now [...] because capturing it would give Russia control over a wider urban area stretching along the western edges of the Donetsk region."
 * Also, why would Russia increase shelling and attacks on Toretsk itself so much if the intention was not to capture it? Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)