Talk:Battle of the Eurymedon (190 BC)

Hannibal's fleet
What was the size of Hannibal's fleet as described in the article? 64.138.237.101 (talk) 14:30, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * According to Livius (37,23–24) Hannibal had 47 ships, his opponent Pausistratos had 38. --Kryston (talk) 15:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

How many sailors do you think that was under Hannibal's control? Do you have an English link to the Livy reference? 64.138.237.101 (talk) 19:02, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I have no idea how many sailors were needed for a typical ship. Here is the link, that you wished: Look for section 37.23. The numbers I have given aren't exactly like I told you above. According to Livius there are 36 Rhodian ships.


 * The Rhodian force consisted of thirty-two quadriremes and four triremes; the king's fleet numbered thirty-seven vessels of larger build; amongst them were three hepteres and four hexeres. There were in addition to these ten triremes.


 * My original number came from this article. I have to check the number with Graingers book, but this will take some time. And here is my second mistake: The Rhodian admiral was Eudamos. Pausistratos was the loser of the battle of Panormos. --Kryston (talk) 21:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

B class review - word-for-word copy
B class. Catlemur: I recently reviewed the article Battle of Myonessus and I noticed that the entire Background section, the first two paragraphs of the Prelude section, and the last paragraph of the Aftermath section of the two articles (Battles of Myonessus and Eurymedon) are word-for-word identical. While it may be important for each article to relate the general history of this conflict in order for readers to understand the context, it is tedious to read the same word-for-word description in more than one article. The Battle of Thermopylae (191 BC) article also repeats the Background section word-for-word, but it is a much better article because it also provides a unique narrative of events in the sections after the Background. There are times where a certain amount of word-for-word copy may be acceptable (within the same class of warships, for example). I am OK with this for B class, but would not like to see this for GA class. We can discuss if you want. Djmaschek (talk) 05:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * CONTRADICTION: The introduction implies that the Rhodian success was due to using the diekplous maneuver against the Seleucid seaward wing. But in the article it says that the Seleucid landward wing (Apollonius) suffered the most damage while the Seleucid seaward wing (Hannibal) was more successful. There seems to be a contradiction. Can you clear this up? Djmaschek (talk) 05:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I fixed the contradiction. As for the word for word repetition I don't mind replacing it. I just don't know what should I focus on. Should I provide details about what happened on other fronts immediately before the battle? An example would be providing details of the Seleucid invasion of Pergamon in an article about a naval battle.--Catlemur (talk) 09:40, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing up the contradiction. I don't think there's a guideline about word-for-word copy from another article, so it may be OK. But I personally don't like to see it for reasons I gave above. I am sometimes in a situation where I need to "borrow" a paragraph from another article. I usually edit it so it says the same thing in different words. Djmaschek (talk) 04:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)