Talk:Battle royale game/Archive 1

Developer of PUBG
"PlayerUnknown's Battleground was created by Brendan Greene" No. He had the idea, but hired a programmer to create it.

PUBG was first
The article says "the genre was defined and grew out from two principal titles through 2017 and 2018". This is not true. PUBG had a huge head start with millions of players and defined it well before Fortnite showed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.199.56.232 (talk) 19:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * How is it not true? Both PUBG and Fortnite contributed to the popularity of the genre. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 15 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 01:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Battle royale (gaming) → Battle royal (gaming) – There is a subtle difference between the term "battle royal" which generically describes any type of "last-man-standing competitions" (see battle royal) and "battle royale" which not the proper term but is often used as a proper noun to describe events that are based on the battle royal approach. (see ) While "battle royale" is an accepted variation of the term (due primarily to people taking works already known as Battle Royale and assuming that's the proper name of the formate), here it varies from the generic term that this game genre is based on. As such we should stay consistent with the proper english phrasing, though obviously we can allude to the alternate spelling and keep redirects for this. M ASEM (t) 20:19, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom. -- ferret (talk) 21:19, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support also per nom. By the way, I didn't see this before I moved the article to Battle royale (gaming), which is more in line with other video game articles like Health (gaming) and Magic (gaming), so it should be moved to Battle royal (gaming) or Battle royal (game genre) instead. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 20:32, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That does bring up a point that we have battle royal about the type of last-man-standing competition, and arguably what is related to video games could be added to there too. There's only about a half-dozen some games that have this style of play begging the question if we need a separate article in the first place, as that few games does not define a genre. --M ASEM (t) 20:36, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not opposed to a merge attempt. Would also like to mention if kept moving to Battle royal video game, akin to Adventure video game or Role-playing video game. Essentially, "video game" is not a disamb but a part of the topic's identification. -- ferret (talk)
 * Comment The above-linked battle royal article itself mentions that "battle royale" is a valid alternative spelling of "battle royal", which is effectively backed up by this online Merriam Webster dictionary article, so I suppose it is not [just] based on the book Battle Royale is titled, but a correct (and frequently used) version. Shouldn't we rather decide through the more common occurences what we should use for this article (and similar issues)? (Google says 653,000 results -e and 642,000 results +e ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 12:49, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The non-proper name use of "battle royale" seems only accepted as an alternate spelling as too many people make the mistake of the above, to a point where it seems accepted as an alternate spelling. But it is still technically "wrong". If moved, we can at least acknowledge that it is sometimes published with the "e" variation. --M ASEM (t) 13:17, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per arguments outlined by the nom. Generally, "royal" is a generic descriptor while "royale" is used to refer to specific instances. Thus a genre should be "royal". I also argue that staying consistent with battle royal is reasonable. Search hits don't really lean one way of another, but then "Battle Royale" appears is a lot of proper titles. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 13:26, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. All sources that I've seen discussing this subject in the video game context use the "royale" spelling. Beyond that, I see no evidence that the choice of royal/royale is anything more than a spelling variation. Do you have a source (grammarist does not explain its rationale) for the claim that "royale" is "incorrect"? Ham Pastrami (talk) 11:33, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "battle royal" was first used in the English language so it's not a borrowed word, but the problem is that it looks like it has French origins because of putting the adjective after the noun.  The "battle royal" version was used when planned boxing competitions started in the 18th-20th century  .  Where "royale" exactly came from is not 100% clear outside of the fact that the phrasing makes it look like a phrase of French origin, so people seemed to think it should have been spelt "battle royale", and since then it's fallen into an accepted alternate spelling. But we know the term was properly spelt, in modern English, as "battle royal". --M ASEM  (t) 13:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


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Requested move 17 July 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Battle royale game.Unanimous consensus. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric  12:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Battle royal (gaming) → Battle Royale (gaming) – While I was against this before, in the few months since, PUBG has gotten a huge amount of coverage and from that, discussions about this genre. It is now clear that Greene, in naming his original mods, took inspiration from the Battle Royale film/novel, and that name appears to be sticking more and more compared to the more "proper" battle royal. Note that this is for the title form "Battle Royale" and not "battle royale" - the use of the capital form reflects the origin of the film's influence on the generation. M ASEM (t) 16:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * To add: if I google news search, "battlegrounds" "Battle Royale" gets about 4500 hits, "battlegrounds" "battle royal" is under 1000 (and Google suggests the former as proper spelling). Searching on casing is difficult but if you scan the mentions in the gnews hits, you can see that the capitalized versions are much more prevalent than the lower case "battle royale" version. --M ASEM (t) 16:36, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose to suggested name. Support alternate suggestion of Battle royale game. No need for gaming to be denoted as a disamb, similar to role-playing game, adventure game, stealth game, etc. -- ferret (talk) 16:53, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The difficulty is that it should be either "battle royale game" or "Battle Royale game", and as I note from searching, the title-case approach is much more common. I don't have a problem with adding "game" inside of "(gaming)", though I don't see that approach used in sources much. --M ASEM (t) 16:56, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No direct opinion on the title-case. But I think disamb is awkwardly unnecessary. This is a game or genre. Battle Royale genre would also be acceptable to me. To clarify, either way: In support of Battle Royale, regardless of what comes after it. -- ferret (talk) 17:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that if we can avoid the disambig, great. It's just the phrasing "Battle Royale game" seems awkward, but I think it is sufficient clarity. --M ASEM  (t) 20:52, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment, actually I moved it because of PUBG and a quick search shows that the common term of this generation refers to battle royal in terms of gaming as battle royale, however it does appear the historic term from which battle royale was derived is indeed, battle royal.  Valoem   talk   contrib  18:51, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Original research here, but its clear that up until the Battle Royale book, it was battle royal, used for melee combat events, which is then how the modern use in wrestling events has taken it. With video games, it's become very clear that Greene's original Battle Royale mod for Arma II/DayZ, named after the film based on the novel, is the point of original for any video game application of the Battle Royale term. They are technically interchangeable since they all refer to the type of "last man standing" event, but in the specific context of video gaming (and physical games that may derive from this), it's all coming from the original Battle Royale mod, so it is more appropriate at that term. --M ASEM (t) 23:57, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Support Battle royale video game. First, WP:NATURALDIS is preferable to parentheses, and seems to be a more usual methods of disambiguation among articles in Category:Video game genres than the current "(gaming)" construction - though Battle royale (video games) would be preferable to (gaming). Second, the lower cased "battle royale" spelling appears to be far more common in the sources, judging by Google News ( vs. ). Capitalized "Battle Royale" is not appropriate here per MOS:CAPS; most sources do not capitalize it. The fact that a movie inspired this type of game is not relevant to our manual of style.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:56, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree, I found most sources do capitalize "Battle Royale" when talking the game mode since they know it is inspired from the film Battle Royale and based on Greene's original Battle Royale mod. I know that's impossible to actually provide hard numbers since google cannot be made to search by case. However, I will note we do have capitalized video game modes, like Metroidvania (because the mode's name descends from game times), though I have started seeing this - not as frequently - in lower case. Similarly with "Souls-like" for Dark Souls inspired games. The only exception that I've seen otherwise is roguelike which may be due to age that it is accepted as a non-proper noun despite descending from Rogue. --M ASEM  (t) 14:02, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * A cursory Google News search demonstrates that most sources do not capitalize "Battle Royale". Here are a few examples from the first page of hits. Except when sources consistently capitalize a term, which isn't the case here, Wikipedia titles use lower case.--Cúchullain t/ c 14:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't argue too much on that, it depends a lot how you split the search data it seems to go either way. (If I tend to focus more on the sources deemed reliable at WP:VG/S I get more capitals than normal case, but that's from squinting at the larger picture, no hard metrics). I could see the lower case; personally, completely OR, I think many are not aware of the origins of the term and assume "battle royale" is borrowed language that has become English (which hadn't until Battlegrounds took off), but we can't control how language is used.
 * I do think we can drop "video" though, do "battle royale game". We typically use things like "Action game" "Adventure game", "Platform game" etc. without "video", that being implicit. --M ASEM (t) 15:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, battle royale game should be fine.--Cúchullain t/ c 20:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Partial support: move to Battle royale game. I've change my opinion like 20 times. The problem is that PUBG has basically monopolized the term. There are sources discussing other games and instances, and they lean towards "royal". But PUBG has single-handedly tipped the scale by the sheer number of sources. At this point, it will end up dictating the future games too, so the term will inevitably end up as "battle royale" even if it started as "royal". The distinction between the original media and term has blurred and most sources don't care/bother. Using capital first letters does seem like a fad though and more of a accent that trying to coin a capitalized term. This isn't a term that would be capitalized in English, so following MOS:CAPS seems reasonable. To avoid disambiguation and weird phrasing, "X game" seems to be the go-to standard for out video game genres and how they would naturally be named in VG sources. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:52, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Battle royale game with note that it is sometimes spelled (and pronounced?) battle royal and sometimes capitalized, with an explanation of the history of the term. I could really go either way on capitalizing this since sources use both. Seems to be trending toward being made generic though. —DIYeditor (talk) 21:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


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Strange ways
I missed the entire second move request and while I'm glad everyone has found common ground with the spelling, I have to say I'm really disappointed that Wikipedia's processes failed to produce the correct result and the original nominator had to reverse his stance in order to make it happen. So for that I give credit where it's due. However, memes continue to be propagated as "OR, but..." when they are demonstrably false. "Royale" has long been preferred in gaming, as seen in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, or Pac-Man Battle Royale, which both preceded PUBG by years. It has nothing to do with slightly increased PUBG publicity in the past couple of weeks; sources supporting "royale" have been there since the article was created, I wrote the original stub from the sources I could find, as required by policy. It was not a matter of personal taste for me, I was working according to that. By contrast the sources for "royal" are either nonexistent, not pertinent to games, or just weak and unusable sources altogether. Somehow Wikipedia's processes managed to just defy and ignore all of its own rules (admittedly not the first time I've seen this, but the first for such a seemingly obvious matter). What if Masem had not reversed his stance? Would WP really still be talking about this topic using a spelling that no source uses and trying to push its own? Again, really disappointed to see how those rulings played out and truthfully I've lost a lot of faith in WP's ability to conduct itself objectively. Maybe it's just the declining interest in WP, losing the wisdom of crowds and devolving into an internet cabal. At any rate this has been a huge waste of time that could have been spent on materially improving the article which, I note, seems to have both gone nowhere in terms of information and still managed to descend into broken sentences since I last left it. People cared so much about a spelling variation yet when it came down to it they couldn't be bothered to maintain basic English grammar in the article. Is that the way of things now? I wash my hands of it. Ham Pastrami (talk) 07:44, 29 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Except neither of those are the same genre as PUBG or the like. Those are irrelevant here. --M ASEM (t) 10:11, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * , is there an objection to Battle royale (gaming)? It is a genre in video games now. Valoem   talk   contrib  14:34, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The genre name is clearly "Battle Royale", but that leaves us with the disambiguation problem. If we consider most other cases of video game genre names that have name clashes, we typically use "X game" since that is also appropriately descriptive, like adventure game or action game. If Battle Royale was more a gameplay concept rather than a genre, then I would agree using "(gaming)" or similar would be better, but we've established its a genre. --M ASEM (t) 14:50, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The current name already matches the standard naming we use for genres. The "(gaming)" and similar dabs are for other terminology and concepts. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:50, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:NATURALDIS. -- ferret (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Earlier origins
The battle royale mode predates the DayZ mod and was quite popular on Minecraft public servers from 2012 onwards. I've added some information about this to the article and included some YouTube links as carefully as possible - I'm aware YouTube is difficult to present as a reliable source, it's being used here primarily for date verification to support the book link. Secondary sources seem to be difficult to find despite the mode being one of the most popular in Minecraft; any help finding more sources for this would be appreciated. – NULL  ‹talk› ‹edits›  22:17, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The sourcing is kinda weak for this, since we're lacking secondary source. I'm also a little confused when you say that Minecraft predates DayZ. You are aware that DayZ was first released early 2012? -- ferret (talk) 22:28, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * DayZ's release date isn't really important, but the Survival Games Minecraft mode has been around since at least April 2012, which predates the Battle Royale DayZ mod as best I can find. I do have a secondary source in the form of the book which establishes the mode exists and was considered one of the most popular Minecraft modes by 2014. I've tried to write the YouTube sources carefully so they reference themselves (ie. that popular videos of the topic exist in 2012) which should meet the criteria for self-published sources. – NULL  ‹talk› ‹edits›  22:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I mean, it kinda is important, since DayZ's first early releases were around January 2012, and as an alpha in April 2012, and you're stating something predated it... -- ferret (talk) 22:47, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm stating the Minecraft Survival Games mode predates the DayZ Battle Royale mod. I thought I clarified that in my reply above, sorry if that wasn't clear. – NULL  ‹talk› ‹edits›  22:53, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The key issue is that everyone has focused on PUBG's version as the definitive BR form, so its origins there are the most important, to these sources. --M ASEM (t) 22:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * PUBG's origins are certainly important, but they're not the sole purpose of the article, which is about the game mode. – NULL  ‹talk› ‹edits›  22:53, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I've found a secondary source from Yahoo News (added now to the article) verifying the mode and dated May 2012. Do you guys think this would be sufficient to establish precedent of the game mode such that the YouTube videos can/should be removed? – NULL  ‹talk› ‹edits›  00:31, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The problem I see with that is that it doesn't have the elements that make up what is currently being called a battle royale, namely random placement of weapons and the shrinking safe zone. Keep in mind that Greene has said he was inspired by a Hunger Games-inspired DayZ mod to make his mod as well. There's clearly an element of how Hunger Games-like survival modes led to the more refined nature of battle royale, but I don't think we can establish that mode as the leading one without any other sources to identify it. --M ASEM (t) 01:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Random equipment is a feature of the Minecraft mode in the sense that chest locations remain the same but their contents differ from match to match. The shrinking zone is as far as I know the only original element to Greene's Battle Royale mod. I appreciate your concern about establishing lineage, I'll continue to look for sources and would appreciate help with the same. At the very least I think the detail is relevant to the history of the mode, though. – NULL  ‹talk› ‹edits›  03:02, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I do think it is completely appropriate to point out that there was a trends towards battle royale, but we have to be careful about constructing elements that haven't been noted widely. --M ASEM (t) 04:02, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have limited time to scour the internet for sources for this at the moment, unfortunately. If you guys feel strongly enough that this content shouldn't be in the article right now, please feel free to remove it. It'll be in the history if it needs to be recovered, and I'll continue my search in the meantime. – NULL  ‹talk› ‹edits›  01:02, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

This entire article is wrong. There were battle royale modes in games long before the current trend. MGS4 had a battle royale mode in 2008. Doom 3 had one in 2004. It's an old multiplayer game style with a new name, more emphasis, and lack of other game modes. It's often been referred to as "last man standing" or "free for all" in the past but it's all the same general gameplay. IRMacGuyver (talk) 04:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * They didn't have the shrinking play area, which is the key differentiation here. --M asem (t) 04:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Here is a primary source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5khG4r7aeRo That video, posted on 20 March, 2012, literally is the original battle royale game in Minecraft, on a custom mod, made for that Minecraft server community (Mindcrack who were all Youtubers), with the full game uploaded on Youtube from different player perspectives in the following days. Support for this game mode was later added to the base game by Mojang. But that video, again from 20 March 2012, even includes discussion of the custom mod and who it created at the beginning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.197.2 (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Text-based Battle Royale games
Before Battle Royale rules start appearing in 3D games (through mods for survival games), there also exists web-based games that uses the Battle Royale rules. For example, a text-based web game titled BR大逃杀 (the English name might be Battle Royale), which I'm not sure about the origin and can't remember much of it (since I didn't played it very much), seems to be released in early 2000s, and the rule is pretty similar to modern Battle Royale games that, players are separated into zones, which would gradually shut down at a set interval, and players have to gather resources and attack other players using an action command menu. The only difference between this game and modern Battle Royale games is, action is done using commands and is mostly luck-based rather than skill-based. I think this is something that worth some research, but I can't contribute much, since I only know the existence of such game, but isn't familiar with it. Wzx1996 (talk) 19:56, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * If we can find RSes to support inclusion, I don't see why it would not be appropriate to at least mention. I'm just not seeing any in the immediate. --M asem (t) 20:29, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * If the genre really kicks off and some source does some sort of history retrospective of the origins of the genre, we might see it mention an example like this. But I doubt it will ever be anything significant or directly tied to the genre. It might make sense to include a mention at that point. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 20:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Minecraft mods as the first instance of Battle Royale
I'd say the evidence for this is still weak. First of all, I removed the "Big Book of Minecraft" source because the page it referred to literally just described "Survival Games" without referring to Battle Royale, Hunger Games or anything related to the subject. The Yahoo source makes no mention of "Battle Royale" either, and the comprehensive GameSpot source doesn't specify which possible inspiration came first. Furthermore, it ascribes the key "shrinking area" feature's first appearance to the 2013 mod for DayZ made by Brendan Greene (PUBG's creator) and starts off from there. Some other sources credit this mod or DayZ itself with practically starting the genre. In any case, the Minecraft mods were clearly named after and derived from The Hunger Games film, while the DayZ mod and subsequent genre were derived from Battle Royale. There is no indication or reason to believe that Greene, the brain behind the genre, was inspired by these mods which were released at most a year before his game came out. If Minecraft is to be mentioned there, it should not be followed by "Subsequent appearances of the game mode include mods for the game DayZ, itself initially released as a mod for ARMA 2." These game modes are not the same, and "subsequent" implies they were part of the same trend when in reality they ran parallel to each other. Prinsgezinde (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree with trying to remove Survival Games and its sourcing... they show the mod existed. I agree that the subsequent description of it requires additional sourcing, and I agree with the odd wording of "Subsequent appearances...", which I've removed. -- ferret (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Radical Heights, Cuisine Royale
There is no mention of two BR games which achieved at least a temporary popularity: --XT3000 (talk) 15:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Radical Heights by Boss Key Productions, who shut down shortly after the release because of financial issues and
 * Cuisine Royale by Darkflow Software, which was originally an April fool hoax based on Enlisted but later released as standalone title.

Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 Blackout
I would suggest changing the portion of the wiki pertaining to Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 to say that the game is now released instead of it saying that it's planned. Rainman2477 (talk) 14:33, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. --M asem (t) 14:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Bomberman
Bomberman games had battle royale game mode since the 80s, it might be hard to accept battle royale games are older than we think, but bomberman already followed all the modern formula of battle royales. players are spread in the map. they have to gather resources and then battle till the last standing. it also had the map decrease in size as the time passes. to force players in the center to fight. as far as i know these things is what makes a game battle royale game have these characteristics. spread players. gather resouces and battle in a map that decreases in size. the only diferences is that bomber had limitation to 5 players. you cant pick where you will start. its 5 fixed locations 1 for each player. and resources are not finite when you pick then. you can use then untill you die and you lose by some means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.75.36.102 (talk) 13:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hence why its not included. I'm sure there's other early examples of games that had the same arguable limits, but no one would classify them as BR. (certainly no source does that I can find). --M asem (t) 15:19, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

We can probably add that Eurogamer source, but the actual material has to accurately reflect what it says and that it is a single author's impression. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I reworked it. It's basically acknowleding that the last-man-standing part of BR can be seen as early as bomberman, but certainly cannot really be called a BR. --M asem (t) 16:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

A new battle royale game made in 1987 was found
It sounds crazy but apparently a new battle royale game type game was found on a dendy console. its being worked on to be made playable since it was never finished but i feel that with this new info a section should be added to the battle royale game history section to include this. Link to the video documenting this game:

ItsCadency (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * We would need RSes to be covering it. Given that Game Grumps ius a humor channel, we don't know how legit that it is. --M asem (t) 22:39, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

BR is not a genre - refer to DeathMatch page
In aforementioned page it is stated that Deathmatch is a multiplayer game mode. Battle Royale is exactly that and the sole reason why it was so easy to implement in other games. It is a very common misconception that this is a genre, while obvious to anyone who reads the current article, that this is Last Man standing (or elimination) game mode with a bit of a larger scale that was simply inaccessible earlier because of tech. PUBG is not of a Battle Royale genre - it is a shooter with a battle royale game mode. Hence the claims of Brendan Greene of people violating his copyrights are unfounded and misguided - you can't copyright game mode the same way you can't copyright a note in the music scale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.68.209.147 (talk) 09:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources consider it its own genre, so we really can't argue that. --M asem (t) 15:43, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2020
Battle royale went from obscure mod to mainstream game phenomenon in less than two years. PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds’ massive popularity made the genre major news through 2017 as it sold more than 50 million copies combined on Xbox and PC as of June 2018. The free-to-play PUBG Mobile has put up even more impressive numbers, bringing the total player count for the various platformers to more than 400 million. 2409:4065:495:B9F4:1CBE:D366:6C33:6B (talk) 18:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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The origins of the term "battle royale"
I added a "citation needed" template to the sentence in the lead claiming that the term "battle royale" comes from a Japanese novel. As the separate Wikipedia article on "battle royale" explains, the term is much older and originated in the world of wrestling and boxing (physical, not virtual). To help make that connection, I added an internal link to the term "battle royale" early in the lead. Josef Horáček (talk) 02:49, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The lede does not need sourcing. You need to check the body where we know this is coming from Brendan Greene's prior mods for DayZ, as he specifically took inspiration from the movie. Whether the movie itself took inspiration from the older term, we don't know but that's not what's relevalent -but that's all cited in the body. --M asem (t) 02:52, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair point about the source in the body. I checked it, and it looks fine. I still think it may be worthwhile pointing out that the term itself has much deeper origins. Josef Horáček (talk) 03:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

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ShootMania: Storm's Royal gamemode
ShootMania is an arena shooter by the devs of TrackMania and it had a battle royale gamemode already around 2013. That is pretty early and would be worth mentioning.