Talk:Baudouin

Requested move 4 November 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:11, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Baudouin (disambiguation) → Baudouin – This is the French form of Baldwin and current usage is no higher than before the reign of Baudouin of Belgium, suggesting he cannot be the primary topic. Srnec (talk) 02:27, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * The monarch article shows significant reader interest (23k views in September '23), and the hatnote doesn't even come up in the top 20 of outgoing views, because the given names are actually visited by just 50-100 people a month, per |Boudewijn I'm inclined to void the assumption of primary topic for known common human names whose traffic patterns just don't match this topic, esp. when more than half of the length of this article seems to be supplemental information. --Joy (talk) 10:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your second sentence. To me, "Baudouin" is as ambiguous as "Baldwin", since almost any historical Baldwin is a Baudouin in French. And many of them were French! Treating this article as the primary topic for "Baudouin" implies that it should be moved to that title per the latest round of changes at Naming conventions (royalty and nobility). Srnec (talk) 16:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, by "this article" I was referring to the one where we have assumed primary topic, the monarch article. I've also since checked the in title search that had been missing, and found many more given name and especially surname holders, and documented them in the list. This makes it that much more obvious that it's unlikely that the term is strongly associated with just the monarch by the average English reader. (Support) --Joy (talk) 08:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Plenty of Baudouins. No primary topic by long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

post-move
From the page views and the clickstream archive:


 * December '23: incoming 115
 * Baudouin_of_Belgium link 18 (~15.7%)
 * Baldwin_(name) link 14 (~12.2%)

--Joy (talk) 21:31, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

With https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Baudouin back, for January '24 we saw total incoming 134, 31 to monarch (~23%), 12 to Baldwin. --Joy (talk) 15:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Interestingly, the comparison of views to the old redirect and the disambiguation page - |Baudouin_(disambiguation) - was always indicating ambiguity. --Joy (talk) 19:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

In February, 130 views, and 22 identified clickstreams to Belgian king (~17%), 16 to Baldwin (~12%). --Joy (talk) 15:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)