Talk:Bayanchur Khan

His flag
I removed from main space the following unsourced assertion:


 * The uyghur flag of Bayanchur Khan portrayed a gold wolf's head, a symbol of freedom. The background of the uyghur flag was blue with crescent on it- symbol of Moon Heaven.

Seems like a typical sample of Asena-based modern nationalist mythology to me. The crescent, in particular, is a modern Muslim detail. --Ghirla-трёп- 01:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, It seems like a big nonsense but has nothing to do with modern nationalist mythology stemming from Turkey since Turkish resources portray Uighur Khanate's flag like this.
 * As for the crescent; it's not the symbol of Islam and has never been. Islam hasn't got any symbol akin to the cross or the star of David to begin with. Muslim scholars of Theology and historians agree with me. The West's association of the crescent with Islam is due to Ottoman Empire and the fact that many Muslim-majority states have it on their flags, further strengthened this misconception in most people's minds. Former Ottoman countries like Algeria, Tunisia, Libya adopted it from Ottoman flag. Pakistan took the crescent and star on their flags from Turkic Timurid-Uzbeks (a.k.a Mughals) that ruled India for centuries, islamised the ancestors of Pakis and culturally influenced them very much.
 * Bayanchur Khan's second title is "AY Tengrida Qut Bolmish" which means "one who has become sacred on MOON(&)Heaven" yet you say the crescent is modern Muslim detail. Prior to Islam, the crescent or star-crescent symbol was commonly used by the Hiung-nu (Xiongnu), Turkics, Mongolics and also used by Greeks, Romans, Persians occasionally. See the examples below.


 * 1) Hiung-nu symbol
 * 2) Gokturk (Kok Turuk) coins: A1), A2), B), AB)
 * 3) Mongolic flags
 * 4) Skely Hungarian (Szekler) Flag, Coat of arms of Eastern Hungarian Kingdom
 * 5) Coat of arms of Cumania (they were Turkic and Christian)
 * 6) Turkish crescent


 * Also, please read this article for more coins, flags and further information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.154.71.67 (talk) 13:46, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Bayan Çor
Böri (talk) 14:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)