Talk:Baybars

Physical Appearance
the current description seems to "white wash" Sultan Baibars as a caucasian. He was of Turkic Asian descent and likely either completely East Asian in appearance or perhaps Eurasian. Sumaiyahle (talk) 23:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Please read No original research. R Prazeres (talk) 23:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Lead image
I'm recommending in this edit that the lead image be replaced with an image of a coin that actually comes from Baybars' time, following the example of almost every other lead image in Mamluk sultan articles (minus some of the later ones for whom near-contemporary depictions exist), as well as in Ayyubid sultan articles, Abbasid caliph articles, etc.

The bust outside the Egyptian Military Museum is a modern fictional depiction, and per the examples I just mentioned, we rarely use such depictions in the lead of a historical subject when we have contemporary depictions or associated objects available. I would argue they're uninformative and somewhat frivolous, and any image of a contemporary object depicting Baybars or his name (e.g. objects with inscriptions, emblems, etc) would be more appropriate for a history article.

Better yet, an image of literally the same bust is also included in the "Legacy" section, where it is given clearer context and is more relevant to the theme of the section. There's no need to show the same bust twice, and the one in the infobox is the least useful.

There are multiple images of coins available in Wiki Commons and I don't have a strong preference for one, so if there's no disagreement on this general idea, feel free to pick any other good-quality example. Additionally, the British Museum has at least one coin explicitly attributed to Baybars that can be viewed or here, and the images appear to be freely-licensed (but please double-check). R Prazeres (talk) 05:16, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Duplicate content at Zahiri dynasty
@18Carlox32: The new Zahiri dynasty article appears to be mostly or entirely a copy-paste of content from this article, plus the shorter Al-Said Barakah and Solamish articles. If there is any information there that is not covered here and that is reliably sourced and cited, please add it to this article and/or to other relevant existing articles. The history of the period is also covered at Mamluk Sultanate and (in less detail) at Bahri Mamluks, so we do not need up to four different articles covering the same things; see WP:CONTENTFORK. The term "Zahiri", which is merely used sometimes to denote a small subset of the Bahri Mamluks, does not need its own article.

I've redirected that title here; alternatively, it could be redirected to Bahri Mamluks. If there is a good argument for creating a separate article, please propose it here or at Talk:Mamluk Sultanate by following the guidelines at WP:SPLIT. R Prazeres (talk) 00:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * PS: And as a reminder, Baybars' sons lasted barely two years before Qalawun came to power, so they are not so much a dynasty as a failed attempt to make one (e.g. see Petry's brief description of the episode here). R Prazeres (talk) 01:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)