Talk:Bayview–Hunters Point, San Francisco

Native population?
The entry uses the term "native population," which is ignorant of Bayview history. For example, the neighborhood had a large Maltese and Italian population (among other immigrant groups) before the shipyard changed the demographics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfsteph (talk • contribs) 21:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

What about
What about when people dumped toxic chemicals in hunters point and caused radiation and cancer to surrounding neighborhoods? I don't know too much about it but can someone write something about that? Also, Hunters Point is on the National Priorities List to be cleaned up. And how about some statistics about how residents in Hunters Point are twice as likely to die from breast cancer as compared to the rest of the bay area which is already the highest in the city? Or what about the residents' babies are 2.5 times more likely to die? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.33.159 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 19 April 2006

There is no mention of Greenaction for Health and Environmental Justice and their involvement in environmental engagement in Bayview. I also believe that it would be valuable from an environmental health standpoint to have a list of all the industries and companies involved in the Bayview (in terms of industry and production). Aylapeters (talk) 10:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I would also be interested in any academic literature, environmental or otherwise, that use Bayview as a case study for environmental health and justice. So far, there seems to be a lack of academic literature on the specific case of Bayview. Aylapeters (talk) 10:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

NOt Sure How to Start a New Topic
"The neighborhood's population is changing — a traditionally Black-community established the Hunters Point Shipyard and blue-collar factory jobs and the reasonable housing prices has recently seen a decline due to gentrification."

I was confused by this sentence and think it is a run-on. the Black-community established the Shipyard and the jobs...right? Right. So then, new sentence: However, the more reasonable housing prices have recently increased due to gentrification.

Because, although reasonable housing prices are 'declining' (because there are less inexpensive homes for sale) it is more natural to say that the prices themselves are increasing. You wouldn't say 'America's reasonably priced toys have declined due to a surge in popularity amongst yuppies.' No. The price of the toys has increased, not that the reasonably priced ones decreased.

Did I make my talk comment the right way? THanks,

Darren 07:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC) Darren Dieguez

"The Black Community" did no such thing. The Black community in Hunters Point is a result of it being a cheap place to live. The Shipyard was built by a large corporation that found the shoreline suitable for large dock facilities, and it was built decades before there was a significant number of Blacks in the area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.148.72.103 (talk) 11:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

"Black" vs. "African-American"
I recently reverted the replacement of the term "African American" throughout the article with the term "Black". This edit was made by an anonymous IP user 24.209.46.175, and I felt that it was probably done by someone with malicious intent. Since then, the user has supplied the following argument:


 * i wasnt vandalising http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunters_Point%2C_San_Francisco%2C_California I just changed from "African-American" to Black, because not all Blacks come from Africa, and yet there is white Africans... What would you call a person from Jamaica, South India, or Central/South America with Black skin color?

With this in mind, I'm reverting my revert. I've always thought the term african american is ridiculous - I've even heard it applied to Lenny Henry, a british born black man of jamaican descent, which is plainly ridiculous. However, I've usually tried to stick to the consensus opinion, which in this case means I'd have to use the politically -correct (and factually sometimes incorrect) term "African American".

Glad to see that opinions may be changing on this one. --  (James McNally)   (talkpage)   13:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes its true they are not all from there but most Americans are not from anywhere but this country. African American simply means persons of (Native) African Ancestry who live in America. Since this is a United States article, the United States Census Beareu terms for race/ethnicity are used. Jamica is in north America, Central and South America are America. As for South India? Never heard that one before, but I'm sure you mean India and are confusing it with the term South Asian or East Indian. All "blacks' " ancestry is in africa so they do come from there just as Asians come from Asia and Europeans come from Europe. Also don't be offended, In South Africa related articles the term "Coloured" is used, because in that country the lingo there means a person of mixed african and european ancestry while here its a somtimes insensing term. All people in the United States are hyphen-Americans. Don't take it the wrong way.CholgatalK! 19:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Polluted Water
Here is a report about contaminated fish in Bayview waters that is worse than any other place in the Bay Area. Here is the link if anyone thinks its noteworthy of inlcusion.Sick Fishies ahhhh!CholgatalK! 19:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

fresh & easy and community gardening
it should be in the article and not removed.MY♥IN chile 06:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://web.mac.com/dodt/San_Francisco_Landmarks/San_Francisco_Landmarks_/Pages/The_Sylvester_House.html. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. — Cactus Writer (talk) 15:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Marginalization
Recently, edits have removed sourced text from the article which describes the "marginalization" of the neighborhood and its modern problems. It appears that this has been an attempt to cleanse the article of any negative statements about the modern condition of Bayview-Hunters Point. This is incorrect and those edits have been reverted per Wikipedia's core policy about neutral point-of-view.

The function of an encyclopedic article is not to promote a subject, but rather to present the topic as reflected by independent reliable sources. Weight is given to any particular issue within the article by the amount of discussion it is given by those sources. (See WP:UNDUE) Bayview-Hunters Point has been described as a marginal community from the 1960s through 2011. The community's current problems of crime, poverty, disease, and unemployment are the focus of the vast majority of scholarly essays [.

I have rewritten most of the article according to current reliable sources. It can use additional expansion, but any changes to the article must be made with regard to NPOV and WEIGHT. And any removal of sourced information should first be discussed on this talk page. — Cactus Writer (talk) 17:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Title of article and name of neighborhood: Hyphenation versus en dash.
Shouldn't the stylization of this community's name—and therefore of the article itself—employ an en dash (–) rather than a hyphen (-)?

En dashes are more properly used to indicate relationships and connections between two or more nouns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_dash#En_dash). Hyphens are more properly used in compounds of nouns and adjectives, adverbs, or prepositions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen#Joining).

Because the neighborhood of "Bayview" doesn't modify the neighborhood of "Hunters Point," but they are instead combined from two neighborhoods into one, due to their commonalities in comparison and contrast to the rest of the city, I would propose changing the name of this article to employ an en dash rather than a hyphen, and to change all mentions of the neighborhood's name within the article accordingly.

Thank you. Startswithj (talk) 22:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 1 one external link on Bayview-Hunters Point, San Francisco. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20051123155745/http://indiabasin.org:80/index.htm to http://www.indiabasin.org/index.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

Cheers. —cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 01:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 6 one external links on Bayview-Hunters Point, San Francisco. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added tag to http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Hunters-Point-Naval-Shipyard-development-faces-vote-95479849.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130911234518/http://factfinder2.census.gov to http://factfinder2.census.gov
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120125141343/http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2011/1103_poverty_kneebone_nadeau_berube/1103_poverty_kneebone_nadeau_berube.pdf to http://www.brookings.edu/%7E/media/Files/rc/papers/2011/1103_poverty_kneebone_nadeau_berube/1103_poverty_kneebone_nadeau_berube.pdf
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121108163110/http://www.lejyouth.org:80/aboutus/about.html to http://www.lejyouth.org/aboutus/about.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140812205441/http://www.bayviewfootprints.org/calendar/ to http://www.bayviewfootprints.org/calendar/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20051123155745/http://www.indiabasin.org/index.htm to http://www.indiabasin.org/index.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20061206203629/http://entrepreneur.meetup.com:80/900/? to http://www.entrepreneur.meetup.com/900

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 05:29, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Bayview-Hunters Point, San Francisco. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://factfinder2.census.gov/
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.lejyouth.org/aboutus/about.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060113145308/http://www.indiabasin.org/map.htm to http://www.indiabasin.org/map.htm
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://entrepreneur.meetup.com/900/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 12:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Bayview-Hunters Point, San Francisco. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110119102707/http://www.bracpmo.navy.mil/basepage.aspx?baseid=45&state=California&name=hps to http://www.bracpmo.navy.mil/basepage.aspx?baseid=45&state=California&name=hps
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110616054426/http://cfpub.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0902722 to http://cfpub.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0902722
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130227124352/http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/fooddesert/fooddesert.html to http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/fooddesert/fooddesert.html
 * Added archive https://archive.is/20120914064929/http://www.streetgangs.com/movies/hunterspoint.html to http://www.streetgangs.com/movies/hunterspoint.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 09:43, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Bayview-Hunters Point, San Francisco. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120813193321/http://www.sfgov3.org/index.aspx?page=639 to http://www.sfgov3.org/index.aspx?page=639
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120422104855/http://www.sfgov3.org/index.aspx?page=1183 to http://www.sfgov3.org/index.aspx?page=1183

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 12:42, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Bayview-Hunters Point, San Francisco. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added tag to http://bvoh.org/news/pressReleases/pdf/BVOH_Governor%27s_Award_10-28-2011.pdf
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120404191921/http://www.baycitizen.org/environment/story/sf-ecocenter-wins-epa-award/ to http://www.baycitizen.org/environment/story/sf-ecocenter-wins-epa-award/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110610100524/http://journalism.berkeley.edu/ngno/reports/bayview/bvhp_6_1206.html to http://journalism.berkeley.edu/ngno/reports/bayview/bvhp_6_1206.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080509191346/http://www.sfnpc.org/islaiscreekhistory to http://www.sfnpc.org/islaiscreekhistory
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070210232859/http://www.communitywindowontheshipyard.org/ to http://www.communitywindowontheshipyard.org/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 09:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

¿Hunters or Hunter's?
It seems that the official way to refer to this place is «Hunters» but the form «Hunter's» is also used. Are both okay or the second one's just a mispelling? Cheers.u v u l u m (talk) 08:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I was wondering this myself. I guess the only people that could answer this question authoritatively are residents of the area or people in San Francisco government. If we get a definitive answer, every instance in the article should be updated to match. Dogman15  ( talk ) 11:32, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Writing 1 MW
— Assignment last updated by Stephpizarro (talk) 22:57, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

On use of 'Ramaytush' Band of Ohlone
There is an unfortunate rift of many years among groups who may be descendants of various Ohlone bands who inhabited this greater Bay Area since long before the colonial era and modernity. The federal government gives recognition status to tribes and bands with a complex artifact history; wishing to be a descendant is another matter, and my point is not to dispute or support one band or another, some of whom hope to gain recognition and with it, autonomy and gaming rights.

The term Ramaytush is a construct from some decades ago; this is a group who, regretably, were unable to gain federal recognition even while getting local institutions to support the idea of their heritage. The DNA remains of the Muwekma Band of Ohlone are those who merit mention here. Early anthropologists and linguists do not mention the Ramaytush. This alone does not provide proof of an earlier band as present or not present, but certainly they are missing from historical documentation in the 1800s and early 1900s. Editing in the document looks to me like both bands may have weighed in.

A couple years ago when I spoke in person at the Stanford Powwow to the chief of the Muwekma Band, they only commented that there are many hopefuls who wish to benefit from confusion and lack of evidence. More than this, when Stanford, many years ago, repatriated skeletal remains from its museum collections to the Ohlone, it was the Muwekma Band who they recognized. https://museum.stanford.edu/exhibitions/melancholy-museum-love-death-and-mourning-stanford/first-inhabitants-essay

Here is a supporting bit of evidence on the long time existence of the Muwekma in San Francisco. Some records may be accessed at the old Mission Dolores too. [Https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/science/muwekma-ohlone-tribe-california-dna.html?searchResultPosition=1 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/science/muwekma-ohlone-tribe-california-dna.html?searchResultPosition=1] 157.131.199.58 (talk) 03:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)