Talk:Bdóte

Pre-DYK
@Oncamera I plan to nominate this article for DYK (or you may do so instead). I have come up with the following hook: Any thoughts? Sincerely —Alalch E. 19:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Bdote, an area of sacred significance to the Dakota people, centered on the confluence of the Minnesota and Mississippi Rivers, was also the site of their exile from Minnesota.


 * Perhaps adding *forced exile from Minnesota. oncamera  (talk page) 21:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Done and posted. —Alalch E. 16:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination
, the hook says ... that Bdóte, an area of sacred significance to the Dakota people, centered on the confluence of the Minnesota and Mississippi rivers, was also the site of their forced exile from Minnesota? I don't think that is correct as Fort Snelling is in Minnesota, so the Dakota were not yet exiled from Minnesota. Should "from Minnesota" be removed? TSventon (talk) 20:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Please see the third paragraph of Bdóte. Fort Snelling lies within Bdote, and it is from this site within Bdote within Minnesota that they were exiled out of Minnesota. But honestly, "from Minnesota" doesn't change much because it's clear they were exiled from their ancestral lands even without "from Minnesota", and if removing those two words makes everything somehow clearer, that's fine. —Alalch E. 20:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why "from Minnesota" should be removed since it's the Dakota name for their homeland and the new Seal_of_Minnesota will likely have "Mnisota Makoce" added to it, which is the full name in Dakota. They were forcibly exiled from Minnesota after being kept at a concentration camp at Fort Snelling for the winter of 1862-63. It's why there's many Dakota reservations in Nebraska, North/South Dakota, Montana and Canada. oncamera  (talk page) 01:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * On further investigation I think the hook is confusing rather than incorrect. I interpreted "the site of their forced exile" as "the place they lived in exile", but it is being used to mean "the departure point for their journey into exile". TSventon (talk) 13:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Please suggest a tweak to make it less confusing to you. —Alalch E. 14:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would suggest ... that Bdóte, an area of sacred significance to the Dakota people, was also the site of the concentration camp where they were held before their forced exile from Minnesota? TSventon (talk) 01:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I think that's okay. Pinging you for any comment about a possible hook change. —Alalch E. 09:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks ok with me. oncamera  (talk page) 13:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Coauthor of your source
I agree Mni Sota Makoce: The Land of the Dakota is an amazing book. Please remember that Westerman's coauthor is Bruce White. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I removed one instance because it's a retelling of a Dakota creation story and there's no need to include a non-Dakota in that paragraph about it when Westerman's name is already wikilinked. oncamera  (talk page) 21:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * An improvement, thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)