Talk:Beast (Marvel Comics)

Excessive Information
Some folks have gone totally overboard with the background information. It seems that somebody thought it would be a good idea to cover The Beast's role in every Marvel event of the last decade or so, even when Beast's participation was pretty marginal. Shouldn't the article stick major developments in the character's career? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.15.155 (talk) 03:12, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Vital Stats
I think we should avoid "vital stats" lists in WP articles on fictional characters, as their info is usually unverifiable, vague, a subject of significant debate, and/or simply not interesting writing. I've removed the info from this article, especially as it also duplicates some of the info in the existing text. -mhr 03:52, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hmm, do we really want to boldface the real names of superheroes on WP? That seems a bit distracting to me. -mhr 01:45, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I removed this from the main article because I agree that it really doesn't belong here. Since large numbers of these "vital stats" sections have been added to various articles, I'm using Talk:Strength level (comics) to discuss this in general. Bryan 07:58, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Real Name: Dr. Henry "Hank" Peter McCoy
 * Group affiliations: X-Men, X-Factor (disbanded), The Defenders (Disbanded), The New Defenders (Disbanded), Avengers, West Coast Avengers (Disbanded)
 * Height:(Ape-like Form) 5 ft. 11 in. Current Feline Form: 7ft. 0 in.
 * Weight: (Ape-like Form) 355 lbs.   Current Feline Form: 450 lbs
 * Eyes: Blue
 * Hair: (originally) Brown, (currently) Blue-black
 * Other distinguishing features: Covered with fur, unusually large hands and feet, pointed ears, fang-like teeth
 * Source of powers: Benevolent mutation.
 * Intelligence Level: Genius
 * Extent of Education: Doctorate
 * Strength: Superhuman Class 50 (Recent mutation into a more feline form currently enables him to lift(military press) between 25 and 50 tons)
 * Speed: Superhuman(75 miles per hour, but can run at speeds of 100 miles per hour on all fours)
 * Reflexes:Superhuman(well beyond the natural limits of the human body)
 * Agility: Superhuman(well beyond the natural limits of the human body)
 * Stamina: Superhuman(can exert himself at peak capacity for 24 hours)
 * Durability: Superhuman Regenerative(able to regenerate damaged or destroyed cells and tissues to an extraordinary extent, but not able to regenerate missing limbs or organs.
 * Note: Hank McCoy once appeared almost completely human, with the exception of unusually large hands and feet. However, due to his attempts to scientifically remove the effects of his genetic mutation completely from his body he accidentally accellerated his mutation transforming him into an ape-like figure, which he retaind for a period of many years.  However, after recently recieving a severe wound from the villain Vargas, Hank's body underwent another mutation in which he mutated in to a larger feline form.  Many of Hank's original superhuman abilities, most notably his strength, stamina, and healing ability, are at much greater levels in his current form.

Rejected by parents?
Im pretty sure that in the original marvel continuity Beasts parents accept and love him, i seem to remember a Post Onslaught visit with Franklin Richards and Atrie and Leech


 * Dead right. Ultimate Beast was apparently rejected by his parents (until he became famous, when they sold out to the media. So he horrified them with his black girlfriend), but mainstream Beast still has a good relationship with his parents (so good, in fact, that Dark Beast was unable to bring himself to kill them).

Images
Wouldn't an image of him in his original form (furless) be useful on here since it's the way he existed for his for 16 years as a character? The "Cover to Astonishing X-Men #4" comes close, but it shows a black and white, upside down, distorted-looking image. What about ?AriGold 13:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, there needs to be a pre blue beast, at least so we can compare with how he looks to kelsey grammer, as I think the two are pretty similar. But, I would like to touch up my memory Jackpot Den 19:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I love the idea of using that picture. Most people don't understand that Beast was blue only after a while of being an X-man. And, most people don't understand that those two versions are the same person.Derek Chase 04:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge Ultimate Beast
Per the WP:COMIC talk page, Ultimate character entries should be merged into the character's main article. --Newt ΨΦ 18:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * Merge --Newt ΨΦ 18:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge -Markeer 19:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge--Chris Griswold 07:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge Dr Archeville 14:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge --Jamdav86 12:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
On top of his alternate-reality characterdom, he's a dead alternate reality character, and thus, barring any Marvel Death, it's doubtful the Beast (comics) article will grow to the size that merits a new article. --Newt ΨΦ 18:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Berserker rage and similarities to Wolverine in current feline form
In the Danger storyline written by Joss Whedon, the Beast clearly lets his "animal" side take over while fighting (and overcoming) Danger in Genosha. Earlier on, during Grant Morrison's E is for Extinction story arc he also stated that trying to fight Cassandra Nova with his brains when she first revealed herself (and made Beak beat him into a coma) was a mistake, and then let loose a deep animal growl with Wolverine by his side. He's also been seen holding his own against Wolverine in terms of savagery when they fought over his temptation to cure himself from his mutation with Dr. Rao's medecine in the Gifted storyline (also by Whedon).

That's an unusual behaviour for a character whose genius-level IQ had always been preeminent, and it seems likely that his feline form has been affecting his self-perception and allowed him to rely on his increased animal instinct and heightened senses when needed, while retaining his usual genius and humour in most cases. These facts make him the other "animal-minded" Astonishing X-Man, alongside Wolverine. --Cosmic Camel Clash 00:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Middle Name
Is it Philip or Peter? --68.224.247.53 22:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know for sure, but uncannyxmen.net and marveldatabase.com (both linked at the bottom of the page) both say "Phil(l)ip" --TSN 09:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace?
Is Dunfee a typo for Dundee?

Nope, it is really the fictional city of Dunfee, Illnois.

Picture for speedy deletion (under Films or something)
It says the picture would be deleted on December 16. It's been more than a week since then. --Addict 2006 22:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge Dark Beast and Brute (Hank McCoy)
These two pages should be merged into the main page as they are only different versions of the same character. If this makes the page too long a companion page for alternate versions should be created similar to what Wolverine (comics) has with Alternate versions of Wolverine 69.182.78.104 06:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Please see discussion regarding(Merging Alternate Versions of Characters)


 * no merge both are well establish characters who both have disticitive publication histories. 66.109.248.114 22:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * no merge. Same reasons from above. Thelaststand3, 18:08, 19th June 2007


 * no merge. This would be like merging Silver Surfer and a potted plant. The characters are just so supremely different. Lots42 23:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Renewed discussion, Merge Brute Only

 * no merge - for the dark beast. Because not only he has a different personality, outlook, motives, tactics etc. he also has a distinct role, function and history IN the current marvel universe/continuity. He is basically a different character derived from the same template put through a spin of an alternate reality. This would be like merging cable with nate grey. TheDreamingCelestial 23:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No merge for Dark Beast. I agree with the previous post about how he is an important character on his own.
 * Merge Brute The Brute article is not very long. I think it should be placed in here. Freak104 17:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge Brute Since I nominated Dark Beast, I'm going to denominate it so this is a Burte only discussion. The Brute arctcle is barely more than a stub and doesn't even have a photo. Brute is no more notable Ice-Man or Maddy Pryor and those pages work well merged. -- 69.183.15.244 18:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge Brute the current entry is inadequate and he doesn't seem like a major character with any great differences between the two. (Emperor 18:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC))
 * The weakest merge of them all - although I usually would oppose merging, Brute has not been seen since and may not until some 10 year or 20 year anniversary or whatever... so I guess it's for the best. StarSpangledKiwi 21:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge Brute Definately needs merged. --El benito 02:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion Result:
 * Dark Beast - No merge, proposal withdrawn, keep seperate.
 * Brute (Hank McCoy) - Merge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.73.240 (talk) 03:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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Beauty and the Beast
There's no mention of their romance, in this article or in Dazzler's. -- AvatarMN 21:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Top Ten most intelligent fictional characters
According to BusinessWeek, Beast is listed as one of the top ten most intelligent fictional characters in American comics. Smartest Superheroes Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 09:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

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Quotes
This section was removed from article; posting here for posterity.


 * Oh my stars and garters!
 * There comes a time 'twixt life and death
 * When all men stop to catch their breath.
 * We ask the stars 'Why?', we question our lot,
 * The heavens open wide and reply, 'Why not? (X-Men #11)


 * Cecilia Reyes: Theoretical physics and basic anatomy. I'm impressed.
 * Beast: You should see me play Pictionary.
 * Cecilia Reyes: Sure, maybe after we get it ou -- *gasp* You -- You're an animal...?
 * Beast: It's not 'animal,' miss, it's 'Beast' ... a 'Beast' which happens to know a thing or two about the dynamic application of nano-effusive devices. Animal is a Muppet. (X-Men #70)


 * Banshee: Hard to believe th' boyo's got a doctorate in biophysics. (The Uncanny X-Men #308)

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 * FYI; there is a Wikiquotes. Lots42 (talk) 22:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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Present tense?
Why is this article (at least the lead) written in present tense? Applejuicefool (talk) 02:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Guess it's really just the second paragraph I have issues with. I'll fix it. Applejuicefool (talk) 02:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, writing about fiction guidelines state that in-universe aspects should be written in present tense. Pairadox (talk) 06:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I see what you're saying. The phrasing "originally possesses" is a bit confusing, especially if you are ignorant of the wiki guidelines. One could read the paragraph and come away with the understanding that Beast changes back and forth between a human-looking guy and a blue furry fuzzball. I'll take another look and see if I can correct this ambiguity while working within the present-tense guideline. Applejuicefool (talk) 17:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, how's that? Applejuicefool (talk) 18:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Very nice. Pairadox (talk) 18:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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My changes
Since it's not known if Beast on the Skrull ship IS a Skrull or not, I decided to be bold and remove it all together. If it is him somehow, add it back in. I replaced it with current Beast activities, namely being awesome in California. Lots42 (talk) 22:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And sure enough, Ship-Beast was a Skrull. Lots42 (talk) 20:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Movie Comparison
In X2: X-Men United, Dr. Hank McCoy is seen on the television in the bar as an expert on mutation debating with Dr. Shaw on the mutant situation. Then, in a deleted scene he is transformed by Dark Cerebro, bridging X2 and X-Men: The Last Stand. In the latter, he is shown reading the "Tracking Mutations" article of Scientific American to learn about advances in his previous field. He uses technical jargon: "mutant antibody" and tries to correct Storm on the scientific perspective, saying "Well, scientifically speaking…." Further, on X-Men: The Last Stand he is described thus: "Dr. McCoy is a brilliant scientist and researcher. ... McCoy proved invaluable ... in the laboratory, where his vast intelligence and insight into mutant genetics quickly distinguished him from the rest of the team." Therefore, he is a scientific genius and renowned geneticist like in the comics. In a deleted scene he is holding textbooks waiting to teach an incoming wave of students at the Xavier Mansion like in the comics.

The X3 website reveals he played football in college. In the comics, he played football in high school.

In X-Men: The Last Stand, he is Secretary of Mutant Affairs, has been fighting for mutant rights for years, and insists he is a diplomat. In Marvel Encyclopedia Volume 2: X-Men, he is revealed to be "equal parts biochemist and political activist."

Beast is embarrassed by and defensive of his mutant nature, as evidenced by his expression after Leech shakes his hand and his sentiments regarding mutants taking the cure in X3. On Wolverine's Revenge, Beast "struggles with the demons of loneliness and rejection." Also, according to Marvel Encyclopedia Volume 2: X-Men, he fights his feral instincts, while in the film he roars and fights with a savage style, even breaking the neck of an enemy in a deleted scene.

Kelsey Grammer portrays him as refined similar to George Buza's depiction in the X-Men animated series episode "Enter Magneto". In the film he inspects a piece of art with his spectacles, and in the Marvel Universe Roleplaying Game he has knowledge of art history. He hangs upside down while reading in the movie similar to the comics. In X3, he says his famous quote from the comics, "Oh, my stars and garters." He also quotes Churchill in the film, which is similar to his quoting Shakespeare and such in the books. Wolverine likes the suit he wears frequently in X3, and in this article it is revealed that he is eager to put a suit and tie on after an animal regression in the comics.

In Ultimate X-Men, Beast is close to Storm, and in X3 she is excited to see him. He is obviously one of the early recruits to the X-Men in both media, as inferred from this scene and explicit on the official website. Also in Ultimate X-Men he describes himself as fat, and in The Last Stand he finds it hard to believe his uniform once fit him. --68.227.32.148 (talk) 00:10, 30 November 2008 (UTC) --68.227.32.148 (talk) 21:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC) --68.227.32.148 (talk) 21:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

“…turns up missing”?
I don’t really know what “…Angel loses his wings in a battle and shortly after turns up missing”, means, as it seems a contradiction in terms to me, but it certainly doesn’t seem like the formal style of an encyclopædia.Jock123 (talk) 14:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 12 July 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to Beast (Marvel Comics). (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:25, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Beast (character) → Beast (comics) – It's pretty standard for comic book characters to be named with (comics), and this would help to further distinguish this from other characters named Beast, like Beast (Beauty and the Beast) JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 00:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose per Naming conventions (comics): Articles primarily about characters appearing in a comic should use the phrase (character). The hat note is sufficient for anyone who ends up at the wrong article IMO. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with Beast (Marvel Comics). Argento Surfer (talk) 13:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. No objection to Beast (Marvel Comics) if Beast (character) is judged too ambiguous. 162 etc. (talk) 16:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per 162 etc. — SirDot (talk) 01:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Beast (Marvel Comics). The current title is clearly ambiguous. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:40, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Beast (Marvel Comics), also agree that current DAB is ambiguous.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)