Talk:Beauchamp

A dispute over the wording in a disambiguation page
I believe the following summary description is more accurate
 * Scott Thomas Beauchamp, an American army private who made allegations of misconduct by himself and other soldiers in 2007

than the one edited by Eleemosynary


 * Scott Thomas Beauchamp, an American soldier who published a series on controversial articles about the conduct of US soldiers in Iraq

The most significant change is from "conduct of US soldiers in Iraq" to "allegations of misconduct by himself and other soldiers."


 * 1) They are allegations and have not been independently verified by other journalists.  The Army reported the results of its own investigation which failed to find any supporting evidence or testimony for the allegations.  Beauchamp has the burden of proof.
 * 2) The stories, if true, not only incriminate "US soldiers" but include the admission of the participation by the author himself.
 * 3) As a matter of accuracy and clarity, the substance of the stories is not conduct but misconduct.
 * 4) "Iraq" is not the correct the location of the alleged misconduct in the most shocking story.  The New Republic itself issued a correction -- that one of the alleged incidents took place in Kuwait before Beauchamp entered Iraq.

The edit comment given by Eleemosynary to his edit "far less POV, and more accurate", I believe applies to his edit and not mine. I request your comment. patsw 02:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion
This is a disambiguation page and the manual of style is quite clear here: "For people, include their birth and death years (when known), and only enough descriptive information that the reader can distinguish between different people with the same name". So the idea is to avoid any discussion as above here at all and leave it to the article itself. Given that most other Beauchamps are British nobles, referring to "Scott Thomas Beauchamp (born 1983), American soldier", would be sufficient. Moreover, there is no Bio, but just a redirect, but so also something like "Scott Thomas Beauchamp, see Scott Thomas Beauchamp controversy" might be fine will ask for clarification what the controversy is about... --Tikiwont 18:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Per above, identification reduced to "American solider". patsw 15:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)