Talk:Bed/Archive 1

History?
How about a little more history please? What happened between the Romans and the box-spring? Landroo 13:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hit the Sack
I am interested in finding the first use, or origin of the term "hit the sack," meaning, "go to sleep," or "go to bed."

One could imagine various ways in which "hitting the sack" arose in our language. Some of the diverse meanings of "sack" involve changing from upright to supine (quarterback sack), sexual reference (scrotum or ball sack), or sleeping accomodations (sleeping bag).

Pian88Fort 17:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC) Norman A. Ellis

It is far more likely to come from the fact that early mattresses were just sacks full of straw, like you said ONE could imagine, fortunately most people don't share your imagination! (91.125.77.169 20:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC))

History?
How about a little more history please? What happened between the Romans and the box-spring? Landroo 13:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Bed sizes
What about Asia, the Middle East and Africa? Do they have standard sizes? - Ta bu shi da yu 11:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Are we sure there is no Queen size in the UK? 129.31.82.148 15:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

So what are the standard dimensions of e.g. a king size comforter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.227.115.164 (talk) 14:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

What are standard _heights_ for beds? Perhaps there is no standard, in which case what do ergonomic experts recommend? This paper, from Contemporary Ergonomics (proceedings of the Annual Conference of the Ergonomics Society, held at Warwick in 1994) indicates that "standard bed height" is 65.5 cm, or 25-3/4". Other references indicate 18-14". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.194.239 (talk) 03:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Can anyone make a graphic similar to ? --129.27.201.20 (talk) 09:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC) This has been done for US sizes: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Mattress_Sizes.jpg OddThinking (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

How bout you all add info about hospital bed sizes (80x36)or flesh out a Hospital Bed article. I don't know how to wiki-edit or I would do it. You are welcome to lift anything you need from vitalitymedical.wordpress.com. 70.89.245.137 (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Related Pages - Sexual Intercourse??
Why is Sexual Intercourse a related page to the Bed page?
 * Good point. I've removed it. DWaterson 17:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

really, the bed has been a common place for sexual intercourse since its 'invention'. hopefully no citation is needed to justify this.

Question about bed sizes, current vs. older
Re: King size beds,

Most references to (Eastern) King size beds indicate the size as being 76" x 80", however, I've seen several references to 78" x 80" beds. More importantly, I have three king size beds (which are 20+ years old), that are all the 78" x 80". Every fitted sheet seems to be 78" x 80", so is there an "older standard" size that would account for the above? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamacdonaldone (talk • contribs) 09:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC) Jamacdonaldone (talk) 19:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Making your bed
If you Google "Making your bed" plus "good bad," then you might find that making your bed can be a bad thing for people with allergies. not making your bed can be good for boosting your immune system's immunities. 70.111.238.17 14:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Etymology
How exactly did the term "twin" for a single bed come to be?


 * I'm guessing twin may mean double? It could refer to siamese twins as they are joined together. Cardboard boxA 16:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * My guess is that it is from trundle bed since one mattress was effectively hidden under another until use when they would appear to be "twins". Also these are sometimes pushed together to make an 80-inch wide bed similiar in size to a king, so like umm, two twins make a whole?  Cheers. 05:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe this is a result of using two of these beds in a bedroom separated or pushed together to form one sleeping surface. It was not unusual in the 50s and 60s to see these sold in sets. I have known of married people, sleeping in the same room, but on separate beds. Seems odd in these days when sex explains everything from marriage to what toothpaste we use, but there was a time when beds were used more for sleeping than other (recreational) activities.

The use of a bed for sex
Should be moved down the page, at least beyond the view of a 1024x768 monitor at normal text size without scrolling. This would prevent many accidents. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CompuHacker (talk • contribs) 03:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
 * What is an "accident"?! 129.31.82.148 15:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Types of bed
What about these beds that are fitted with a radio in them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.132.157.47 (talk) 10:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

Size accuracy
I'm wondering about the accuracy of the size listings. I've gone shopping for sheets and I see sheets marked in the 'twin' size having the measurements for a 'queen' bed.--MythicFox 09:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, know what? Never mind. Apparently I didn't realize I was reading the packaging wrong.--MythicFox 09:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Important point though... a UK double is 4'6", i.e. 54", not 53". Also, 72" is just under 1.83m, NOT 1.84m. OK, so 1cm in 6 foot is not a lot, but the 53"/54" is important, as the size of a double bed is 4 and a half feet wide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.182.109 (talk) 23:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've fixed both of those - as well as changing a 41 inch to a 42 inch in the UK section and adding a metric conversion. Graham 87 04:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

What's with the freakishly bad math here? Does someone not know how to multiply by 2.54? Virtually every single metric size in the entire article is incorrect. For example, the size of a US twin/single is listed as 38" x 75" and 0.99m x 1.90m. Well, 38*2.54 = 96.5cm, which isn't 0.99m regardless of rounding and while 75*2.54 does have 190 as the first three significant digits, normal rounding yields 191. Additionally, bed and mattrass sizes in Europe are generally listed in centimeters, not meters (just like US mattrass sizes are given in inches, not feet or yards). I hardly think this is the place to start enforcing SI units... Anyway, unless there is some grand scheme to this fuzzy math, I will correct all the figures in a few days. Fyo 08:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've now fixed the math, switched to centimeters instead of meters and switched highlighting from always-imperial to whatever the authoritative unit is (imperial for US/UK/AUS, metric for Euro). Numbers are rounded to nearest inch and nearest centimeter, respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyo (talk • contribs) 11:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

All this talk of accuracy is utterly spurious. It's not hard to find a UK web site that quotes the sizes of beds in metric only, as well as others that quote imperial only. Others quote in both metric and imperial, using rough and ready conversion, for example "King size 5ft: W150 x L200cm". OK, so the UK suffers from an appalling ambivalence when it comes to the metrication that was decided on many years ago. Wikipedia must acknowledge this, with its customary NPOV. MikeSy (talk) 11:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

0.7 Failure
I have failed this article for Version 0.7. See Talk:Bed/Comments for more information. Fun pika  00:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

History
This article could benefit from significant expansion. Beds are a big topic, and the history of beds covers a large time period. For example, I think it would be interesting to describe beds made from wood frames and rope lattace supporing the overlaying mattress(es) rather than a box spring. Such beds had mattresses of straw and (if lucky) a top mattress of feathers (one would never put a feather mattress directly on the rope). It's from these rope beds we got the expression "sleep tight" (a reference to having to tighten the ropes periodically to keep the bed from sagging) and from the straw mattresses: "don't let the bed bugs bite." Rklawton 22:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Sleigh bed
The article sleigh bed was proposed for deletion for containing commercial links when it was created back in March. I'd like to suggest a merge to Bed instead, but I see that the "list of types of bed" assumes each type has its own article. As the article on sleigh bed is quite short and probably won't be expanded any time soon, I'm not sure that article can stand alone. I'd like to get your input on what to do. See also Talk:Sleigh bed. Matt Fitzpatrick 17:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, either way. It is a very short stub, I agree, but if there was more to say it might warrant its own article. Probably merge it in here if the article is too limited in scope. DWaterson 18:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Divan
Is a "divan" bed specifically one with a drawer in the box springs, or is any bed with a box springs considered a divan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.97.118.4 (talk) 15:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * A divan doesn't have to have drawers; in fact, usually you pay extra if you want drawers. It's still a divan if you don't want a drawer model, AFAIK. DWaterson (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Variation in US Twin Size - Its Origins and Traumatic Implications
In looking for a mattress myself in the US, I'm finding some variation in (specified) Twin sizes — perhaps all of these:


 * 38" x 74"
 * 38" x 74-3/8"
 * 38" x 75"
 * 39" x 74"
 * 39" x 74-3/8"
 * 39" x 75"

Incidentally this is turning out to be a problem because the mattress I want from one company is cited as 75" and the bed frame (with raised edges that the mattress has to fit into) from another company is cited as 74-3/8".

I don't mention this seeking commiseration ; )

But rather to raise the question: does a lack of official government regulations in this regard in the US (if so?) result in some variation in manufacturing standards (seemingly so) resulting in potential frame/mattress/sheet matching problems (seemingly so) — in comparison to the UK/Europe where (one would suspect) there are strictly implemented official (EU?) regulations on such matters?

(I'm actually wondering why UK sizes are different — you'd think there would be a mandatory "EU Common Bed Market" to prevent impediments to cross-border trade.)

76.201.171.182 (talk) 04:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)bedshopper

Assessment comment
Substituted at 14:20, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

anglocentric
This whole article (despite the mention that the European continent classifies beds by metric sizes) is US/Anglocentric. European beds are very different, as (I imagine) are beds in Africa and Asia. I imagine most people consulting this article are English-speakers and probably know about Anglo-American style beds. Surely the emphasis ought to be on other beds. But to find that information, you have to go to a foreign-language site. —Preceding comment added by Escoville (talk • contribs) 06:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, and I've added the globalize tag

box springs?
Article states that beds "usually" have box springs btween the frame and the mattress. I must say I've almost never seen this arrangement in practice; is this a US-only custom? 212.159.69.4 (talk) 10:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree, a box spring is very American. More accurate than "box spring" is "foundation" since many foundations, even in America, contain no springs as a quick look at sears.com would suggest. I would not agree that "Today's beds usually consist of a mattress placed on top of a box spring inner-sprung base" and the reference link at about.com is silent on box springs".  I can't spot a resource on how common slats or other supports are compared to box type foundations.JJ Bosch (talk) 22:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

In history
The history section needs improving. Especially actual times need to be added (http://www.bettersleep.org/Mattressology/bed_in_history.asp) In addition, I find it strange that there doesn't seem to be any mentioning of ie hammocks, ... I would think that this bed would be used for a long time and used to be the bed for most common people (cheap, easy to construct), ... It also seems weird that a "bed" needs to be a "furniture", isn't the term more broad ? 81.241.103.12 (talk) 07:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Worked on this a little, tried to break down into some kind of a timely paragraph form and clean up some but didn't spend a lot of time on it. Found a few sources citing better date spans, but still really unhappy with how all over the place this section is.  May revisit if inspired but the lack of sources (or my ability to find them) is kind of surprising.  Dagrrl (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Article
I am doing an article on the bedroom and was wondering if you had any advice for me since it is my first article. (Themustafa25 (talk) 00:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC))

gorilla beds
Don't other animals, such as gorillas, make beds? Chrisrus (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe the term for this is 'nest'. Josh Parris 10:53, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Or it's called a crib,(sometimes) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.31.25.8 (talk) 22:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Undue weight to rich people's beds
So, the history section here gives *way way way* too much weight to the beds of aristocrats and kings. The following sentence is incredibly ridiculous sounding to me "In the 14th century the woodwork became of less importance, generally being entirely covered by hangings of rich materials." Surely people who couldn't afford beds with "woodwork" and "hangings" still had beds. We need some information on beds that extend beyond Louis XI and his ancestry. Fresheneesz (talk) 02:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Quite often they didn't have beds (in the furniture sense). They'd have a palliasse (a straw-stuffed mattress) directly on the floor and think they were lucky for that. People of the property-owning, but not land-owning, classes (urban shopkeepers and such) would have beds, but these represented a sizable investment for them and several people would share them. In the 17th century we see an expansion of beds at the lower end, with lots of built-in box beds and cupboard beds (like sleeping in a wardrobe!) to keep draughts out. Before this though, there just weren't that many beds amongst the less affluent.
 * There's a lot out there on domestic history like this. Ayres' Domestic Interiors is a good one, and of course Chinnery's classic Oak Furniture. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:35, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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re. sex
yah without being crude i think its odd sex gets no mention considering ~25%+ of the planet's population was probably conceived in a bed. [also it would really have helped me win a round of the wikipedia game ;) ] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.96.89 (talk) 12:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There's been a (very) slow revert contest between people who believe the article should say something like "sleep and sexual intercourse" and those who just want "sleep", without any real consensus for which is better. Feel free to switch it back if you like; I won't undo it.  -- Soap Talk/Contributions 12:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Umm, sexual intercourse can be performed anywhere.. and although a small few could also sleep pretty much anywhere the primary function of a bed is sleep, not sexual intercourse. Unless you count those heart-shaped beds they have in honeymoon suites. :) -- &oelig; &trade; 00:01, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A bed's primary purpose is not to have sex in it. If anything, this should be mentioned in the sex article, NOT here.  I'm removing it. 65.78.144.190 (talk) 09:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See above - obviously most of this article should be devoted to discussing that a bed spends most of the time not being used for anything - sleeping doesn't even make it to 50% of its utilization, probably more like 33%. sex (or reading or eating) are all trivial by comparison in terms of bed utilization - probably less than 10%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.164.201 (talk) 01:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * We need to consider what reliable sources have to say about beds. If reliable sources state that one of the roles of an adult bed is to serve as a location for sex, we should report that. OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 04:29, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2018
Please remove the sentence "When calling a business to check, specify the exact size of the mattress." Please use an edit summary of "WP:NOTHOWTO." 208.95.51.38 (talk) 17:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

plank bed?
There is no mentioning of this kind of sleeping custom.

???(?)

145.129.136.48 (talk) 18:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Futons
Futons are not on a wooden frame. They're laid directly onto tatami. 133.218.14.149 (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)