Talk:Bedros Kapamajian

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Name
Can someone add the Armenian name? And, please there is no reason to remove the Turkish name..Baristarim 18:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. - Fedayee 18:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Baristarim 18:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

checking the Çarkçıyan book
As promised I checked the Çarkçıyan reference. The book is written by Rev. Yervant Gomidas Çarkçıyan. It was originally published in 1953. There is very little biographical information, just stating that he was an Armenian Catholic priest, that this was his only book, and that he was the publisher of Kidagan Darikirko magazine. The copy that I possess was re-published in 2006, by Kesit Yayınları, ISBN 978-9944-321-044. The book's title is "Türk Devleti Hizmetinde Ermeniler" - Armenians in Turkish State Services. The book is exactly that. It is organized into several historical periods. For example for the period of 1753-1853, he lists the names and gives bio's of varying lengths for Armenians in charge of the Imperial mint. Bedros Kapamajian's entry appears in the section for period 1853-1913, under those in affairs of the Interior (Dahiliye hizmetleri). It is a short entry, here it is, in English translation (translation mine):

p.121: Bedros Kapamajian (1840-...) He entered commerce at a young age and was trading textiles with Manchester. Around the middle of 1909, he was appointed Mayor of Van. At this very sensitive post, his uncomparable efforts were lauded and he was praised by the government. That the lake of Van finally got a ferry is due to the efforts of Van governor Bekir Sami Bey, accountant-inspector Recep Hilmi Efendi and Bedros Efendi [Kapamajian].

He also gives a citation for this paragraph: Teotik salnamesi, 1911, p.253. This would be a yearbook, or other periodical known as or by Teotik. A quick google shows some references to an annual publication by an Armenian named Teotik (shortened form, probably Teotoros is the full first name, such shortenings are common). The annual publication's name is Amenon Darevisi. I don't know whether this is the annual publication by Teotik that Çarkçıyan refers to, but the period is right.

If anybody wishes to deepen the search, I believe I have given enough material to dig deeper. Regards, --Free smyrnan 18:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Could someone educate me about Armenian demands for deletion based on neutrality!!!
user:ROOB323 says: This article should be nominated for deletion because all the sources in the article are not neutral sources. The nature of neutrality applies to abstract conclusions (statements) such as "The events can be named as Armenian Genocide" or "the events can only be attributed to a civil war". However Armenians delete facts (such as dates, size of events, persons involved, etc) which could not be analyzed on neutrality. I have hard time understanding how a factual information can become an issue of neutrality. A fact can be validated or denied. I have never seen an Armenian on these conflicting issues brought forward a better source. However a fact being claimed to be non-neutral, seems to be a Joke presented by Armenian editors. Also the Armenian behavior which extends to trashing non Turkish historians that brought arguments is disturbing. This trashing seems to be a designated policy of Armenian editors aimed to prevent the validation of arguments that brought forward. This behavior develops an nonconstructive environment and preventing finding the truth behind the period. Some of these arguments, which are not discussed, form the very basic step stones of the genocide. Such that the STRONG reaction of Jevdet Bey towards Van Resistance can be explained as he could be easily scared from Armenian national movement. and that would be expected, if the previous major of Van was assassinated by the ARF (less then two years ago). Also, some say McCarthy is not a reliable source. However I do not see any Armenian source that brought a proof to breakdown on McCarthy's claims. I have hard time understanding the ignorance of the factual arguments by the Armenians in this article or other related articles. The person who claims that Turkish sources are not reliable has the responsibility to break it down and prove why it is wrong. Beside Turkish editors are not claiming "Burning Tigris" (Peter Balakian) is an unreliable (ps:all the sources in the Armenian Genocide page is from this author) as there is no factual info in this page but a collection of conclusions and assertions (ps. all the sources in "Burning tigris" is secondary as the guy is not a historian. It should not be used at all. Peter Balakian's uniquenesses originates from the fact that uses techniques of fiction writers). I believe there is a problem on Turkish side not confronting Armenians on this issue, which Armenians do it on daily bases. And they do it as a group. SOO, I'm asking someone to educate me Why we need to get rid of this article and why opposing sources are unreliable. --OttomanReference 05:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

A candidate for deletion
Im going to add deletion tag to this article, because:

1. Kapamajian is not a notable person. During the centuries Van and many other cities of region had their large number of mayors, so what? He is not notable not in literature or historiography, nor in the Google.

2. The article is fully a POV using only partisan sources. No any neutral sources asking his son was a Dashnak and that he killed his father. Andranikpasha 21:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

+the partisan sources are in Turkish language, so we cant check them... Andranikpasha 22:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Name

 * "Bedros Kapamajian" -Llc 0
 * "Bedros Kapamadjian" -Llc 1

Takabeg (talk) 08:28, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Some info to be included
BEDROS KAPAMAJIAN was born in 1840 and elected the mayor of Van on February 2, 1908. Kapamajian was a loyal Ottoman, who opposed the Armenian revolutionary Hunchak and Dashnak parties. Unfortunately, the Armenian Patriarch was plotting with the Armenian revolutionaries to organize an uprising that would trigger European intervention on behalf of the Armenian nationalists. As part of these plots, a series of fires broke out in Van, in which the homes of some Armenians also burned. The Patriarch asked Kapamajian to send a report to the Ambassadors of the European States stating that the fires and provocation were caused by Muslims, and that the lives and property of Armenians were in imminent danger. However, Mayor Kapamajian instead sent a report telling that this was not the case and that the fires were started by the Armenian Dashnak revolutionaries.

The Dashanks were angered by Kapamajian's loyalty to the Ottomans, and thus they put him on a black list, along with other loyal Armenians, marked for assassination. Tragically, Mayor Kapamajian was assassinated by his own son, a member of the Armenian revolutionary Dashnak party, on December 10, 1912. Yakamoz51 (talk) 21:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)