Talk:Bee (Lena Meyer-Landrut song)

Talk:Bee (song)

Wrong Lemma
Bee ist not only a Lena Meyer-Landrut song. It was premiered by de:Jennifer Braun, and is available on a CD only by her (not Lena!), see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Bee_(Lied) (second topic) 78.55.69.20 (talk) 22:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there. What you say is not entirely correct. "Bee" is featured on Meyer-Landrut's maxi single "Sattellite" just as much as it is featured on Braun's "I Care for You". What is more, Meyer-Landrut's version will also be on her album. We had the same discussion already at Talk: Satellite (Lena Meyer-Landrut song) and came to the conclusion that (Lena Meyer-Landrut song) is the best variant as it is more likely to be identified correctly on, say, a disambiguation page. What alternative would you suggest? (Unser Star für Oslo song)? Not very elegant and problematic concerning naming conventions. I would just say that this article focuses on the version by Meyer-Landrut, as it is more notable and probably of more interest to international readers. However, you are free to include a sentence about Jennifer Braun's version. Janfrie1988 (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Since Bee (song) does not exist, I think that would be the correct title. See Naming conventions (music). The same is true for the article of Love Me.  EnemyOfTheState  undefined 11:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * i support this. Because Lena is not the only one who is singing this song. By the way Bee was charted in Germany in both the Lena version and the Jennifer Braun version. But Lena's version is the first one which will appear on a whole album. I am sure that also Braun's version of Bee will appear on her debut album but much later than Lena's version. --Melly42 (talk) 07:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And what is your opinion on having two different articles on "Bee"? I think it would be very confusing to have two covers, two infoboxes and two charts for chart positions in one article. Janfrie1988 (talk) 21:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I would suggest Bee (Rosi-Golan-Song). She's the main composer. Regards 92.227.152.189 (talk) 14:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the composer's name is mostly a bad choice (except when he/she is very popular him-/herself) since readers will most likely be puzzled if not misguided by the article name.  EnemyOfTheState   is right though, I completely overlooked the possibility of just calling it "Bee (Song)". We should just consider that someone may start another article on Jennifer Braun's Bee. In this case we would have to go for "Bee (Lena Meyer-Landrut song)" again. And I totally think if someone wants to mention the Jennifer Braun songs in depth that this should be in seperate articles. Just because its easier to comprehend and navigate. Imagine what would happen if we wanted to treat both songs in this one article. We would need to have two separate infoboxes, two different single covers (!) and to different tables for chart positions. This would be very unconfortable and puzzling for any reader. Everything is much easier if we separate the two versions. Oh, and for "Love Me": "Love Me (Lena Meyer-Landrut song)" is absolutely correct, as (1) there are several songs called "Love Me" that have a Wikipedia article, (2) we don't run into problems concerning any Jennifer Braun version there as there is none and (3) Meyer-Landrut is both responsible for lead vocals and writing over there. Janfrie1988 (talk) 15:45, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Singles chronology
A singles chronology should be included (certainly if it's displayed in the infobox), if only for interlinking. Since all where released simultaneously, the order is arbitrary. I would suggest the order of appearance on the final Bee -> Satellite -> Love Me. On the same note, as long as there is only one album, I would remove the chronology info from the My Cassette Player infobox. EnemyOfTheState undefined 11:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Janfrie1988 (talk) 15:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

One or two articles?
Well, now someone has changed this article to be about both versions of the song. This, however, required rewriting some stuff and inserting clarifications in order not to confuse the two versions all the time. I find this solution messy at best. It makes the article barely readable and highly confusing. Not to mention that to be consistent we would have to move the article, upload the second cover and create a second infobox and chart for chart positions. If all others prefer it this way I will certainly accept it, but I want to point out again that is a mess for readers and requires constant clarifications in the text which version is referred to. What is more, if we consistently make this article about both versions it might seem as if both versions are equally notable, which is not true. There isn't even an article on Jennifer Braun. To be honest, this just seems to me like a way of establishing notability for Braun "through the back door". I would be totally fine with an article on Braun and her versions of the songs but it is a huge distraction if there are no articles on her and a mess is created here. I would opt for creating another article for the Jennifer Braun version (if her version is notable), which would require an article on Jennifer Braun, of course. Opinions? Janfrie1988 (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * An article about Jennifer Braun might be the best as a first step. But an IP can't do that.
 * b.t.w.: The changer of the article was me. The problems come from this fancruft name as Bee (Lena Meyer-Landrut song). As Bee (song) all versions and the upcoming - for example by Rosi Golan herself - could also be presented here. Regards 78.55.252.204 (talk) 19:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Thanks for your contribution. It was not my intention to put you down, just to criticise constructively ;). However, it is not a fancruft name but a name based on the opinion that two versions of a song that can't simply be described as covers of one another and that charted independently (and both did quite well) should have separate articles. This is for the arguments above (confusing article, two infoboxes, etc.) to which I have heard no convincing reply yet. To be honest, I rather find it fancruft to present Braun's version to be just as notable as Meyer-Landrut's. Oh, and would you like to write an article on Jennifer Braun? I could create it for you and you do the writing :). Janfrie1988 (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is an infobox really as important? For the price to "forget" Braun's and Golan's historical merits? I don't think so. :-)
 * Well, besides the general problems of an IP, my English is not really good, but I can give you the very first German article on Jennifer Braun as an example: http://www.pluspedia.de/index.php/Jennifer_Braun It's written by my me and licensed: Lizenz: GFDL, oder CC-by-sa 3.0.
 * btw: My opinion is: Let Lena sing in Oslo, let her earn a lot of money - that's all OK. But don't forget the better voice of finalist Jenny :-) (and Rosi of course!).
 * Additionally I could offer German articles on Kerstin Freking, Sharyhan Osman and Rosi Golan (first published by me on a currently deleted website)
 * Regards Mutter Erde 78.55.252.204 (talk) 23:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Mutter Erde? Is that your account: de:Benutzer:Mutter Erde? You seem to have an impressive history of bans on de. Well, whatever, let's see what the others say. If they say anything. Janfrie1988 (talk) 23:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, the problem is solved now. There are now seperate articles on all of Jennifer Braun's USFO final songs. Janfrie1988 (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)