Talk:Bee and PuppyCat

Note to CSD reviewing admin
Although Bee and PuppyCat (the correct title) is currently a redirect, there is a significant amount of content buried in history.- MrX 21:28, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm declining this for the time being because it looks like the series has since expanded and as such, it'd be a good idea to revisit this and see if there is now enough sourcing to where this webseries would now pass notability guidelines. If I find that it doesn't, I'll just redirect to its prior target. I've also merged the histories so if I can't find anything then we'll at least have this to pull from. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually looks like there's been enough coverage for this to warrant an entry now. I'm going to leave it as an article. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Questionable nations
In this edit I removed some questionable claims that this is a Japanese-South Korean-American co-production. That's not supported by any sourced prose. Though the animation was produced by a South Korean company, for all we know they are just the hired-hands, not actually "producers" in the ownership sense. Their involvement doesn't necessarily make this a South Korean production. I will also point out that the contributing IP editor is likely a vandal, having claimed without sources numerous times that Sonic Boom (TV series) is a Japanese series. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:09, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Bee's age
I've noticed that there have been a few attempts to label Bee as an adolescent. The series does not explicitly state that Bee is an adolescent, so she could very well be in her early twenties rather than her teens. The other issue with labeling her an adolescent is that the word has some strong connotations to it - the term brings up images of young teenagers that live at home with their parents, go to high school, and do not generally have to pay their own way through life. Given that we have no confirmation on her age and Bee rents an apartment, works part time, and does not (as far as we can see) go to school, so calling her an adolescent would be fairly misleading. The term "young woman" can pertain to older teenagers and would better encompass Bee's general character, so I'd recommend keeping it like this until we have an exact age for her. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable to me. Maybe she's an emancipated teen? Didn't get along with the folks, and now she's on her own in an adult world? Kidding, of course. I might pitch the term "young adult" which is the section at the library for books that are not quite for kids, but not quite for adults. I don't mind "young woman" though. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:20, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I removed the mention of her being an adolescent. At no point does the series give her exact age, so she could very well be in her early twenties. There's more evidence to suggest that she is, given that she holds jobs (albeit briefly and poorly), has been shown to have graduated from school (via the pilot), rents her own apartment and cares for herself. Granted someone in their older teens (18-19) could do this, but this is typically the actions of someone older. Also, as stated above the term, when it's applied to teens, tends to be far younger and with the implication that they are non-emancipated. The term "young woman" is far more appropriate in this circumstance since teenage females are frequently called young women and because there is no actual confirmation of her age. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  13:19, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Reasonable to me. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:55, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


 * During the episode "Donut" Bee is revealed to be a cyborg, something that surprises both Deckard and PuppyCat. The discussion is moot. She can appear to be a young teen or a prepubescent girl and yet be much older. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:9401:925F:6C17:9D33 (talk) 11:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Genres
I just removed three genres from the infobox, thriller, drama, and magical girl. I don't think that it can be classified as a thriller or drama per the typical use of these genres and I haven't seen it referred to as this in any reliable sources.

Now the magical girl genre category is debatable. There haven't really been a lot of sources that have explicitly labeled this as "magical girl" since it doesn't entirely fit within the typical criteria. Allegri has said that it's inspired by magical girl works, but not that it's a magical girl series itself. I found this mention of the pilot being a magical girl series but there really aren't a lot of sources that explicitly state that this is in the magical girl genre. The only episode that could really be considered magical girl is the pilot - the other episodes don't really have Bee transforming into anything per se.

I'd say that we should leave these three off until we have more sourcing that use these genres to describe the series. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  10:16, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I know my reply is months late, but this sounds reasonable. We should be using labels that most sources use, not just what one source calls it, lest we be inundated with labels. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Episodes
I've restored the content about the two unreleased episodes. They do exist, they just haven't been released to the general public. I did, however, remove the content about the unreleased episodes since there's nothing to suggest that they were ever made and at this point it's debatable about whether or not they'll ever get made.

I also restored the episode count since there are technically five episodes when counting the pilot, although I did specify in the infobox that this count included the pilot episode. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks like the other episodes do exist in some format but until there is more news, I'm going to leave them off the article. Also, I've heard several rumors that the comics were cancelled, so I've slightly changed the phrasing in the article to reflect on this. It doesn't definitively state that they're cancelled, just rephrased to be more neutral. (IE, say that the series exists rather than it being ongoing.) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:27, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Episodes 5-10 have been made and released and can all be watched for free with ads on the VRV app. If someone could write up plot summaries for those, that would be awesome. Compynerd255 (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Cartoon Network
It looks like there was an attempt to state that the new episodes would be airing on Cartoon Network, which was reverted by. Anything about the series will need to be properly sourced with independent and reliable sources. Primary sources, such as the show's creators or Cartoon Network, confirming that it will air on this network will suffice. Secondary sources are fine as long as they're considered reliable per WP:RS guidelines.

As far as I can tell here, this will air on VRV's Cartoon Hangover channel. Keep in mind that Cartoon Hangover is not the same thing as Cartoon Network and until it's officially mentioned, it should be automatically assumed that the series will only air on VRV. This is also assuming that the series gets made and that the widespread layoffs of 40% of Frederator's staff doesn't muck things up. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  01:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've protected this for a week since there have been attempts to remove the note and there were also vandalism attempts earlier this month/year. Please discuss any changes on the talk page when they come to removing the note from the article or adding any information about CN to the page. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:22, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Bee and PuppyCat - Lazy in Space
Okay, so I know that Bee and PuppyCat- Lazy in Space has been released due to clips I've seen on Youtube. However, I can't find any official source about the show's release, not on Frederator's website or on any news outlet. I also don't have VRV and can't get it due to it not being available in my region. Does anybody have any source about the season's release? Pago95 (talk) 20:11, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, it hasn't been officially released yet. I seem to remember that the series was unintentionally leaked by one of the people involved, so that may be where the clips are coming from. This video (not official, just someone looking into the show) says that they're looking for someone to stream the series, so it looks like the VRV deal fell through. It's not a RS per Wikipedia, so we can't use this in the article, however. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:23, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added a link to the site where the episodes where supposedly first leaked (by Fred Seibert, himself, according to a reddit thread) there are no videos still on the page so I think it's okay since there is no copyright material. The account seems also legit since the account has existed since 2005 and has uploaded videos of the frederator logo since at least 2010. I can't be a hundred procent sure since there is no archive on the wayback machine or screenshots, but the dates match with the leak. Pago95 (talk) 15:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The announcement of the Netflix deal on Polygon.com mentions the leaks (though not the source). I've included it as a citation. --ERAGON (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

not a children's show
there is swearing in the show, Bee in particular has to censor herself around cardamon as to not swear. the show was not made with intent for children, despite how cutesy it is Father of one cat (talk) 19:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)