Talk:Bee pollen

NPOV tag
Article lacks sources for all health claims and is slanted towards the naturopathic POV. It needs better sourcing or it needs to be edited down. 96.237.243.124 (talk) 02:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

This article has since been edited down to the point where it has no health claims and no points of view at all. It would be great if somebody with knowledge of the subject could find a happy medium, perhaps referencing and summarizing some studies. As a naturopathic remedy, bee pollen is available in health food stores (and even many major pharmacies and grocery stores) across the United States, and is well deserving of coverage on Wikipedia to either confirm or deny its benefits. 74.9.81.232 (talk) 19:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Is factual to assert that the nutritional contents/qualities do and can vary with each batch. May be helpful to offer some examples of the ranges of this and some details of the nutritional values found. As far as i am aware Bee Pollen can contained an impressively broad spectrum of nutrients, minerals, and resins, which may be beneficial to consume (this would be up to the individual to determine), and presuamably this is quite remarkable for an individual food source. Maybe some information about its use in some cultures/communities, for instance Romanian Bee Farmers, and its attribution to the longevity in theses peoples (although i am sure there are many factors involved in this, and including some history of it's uses in various places. Also, i've heard it can take a bee 20 hrs to gather a single grain (!), i don't know how accurate this is but is an interesting piece of information if it is true. I looked up Bee Pollen because i was interested in the Calorific value of it, so maybe if this is known it would be helpful for it to be included. I'm not sure if it would be up to Wikipedia to confirm or deny it benefits, maybe simple to state a variety of opinions and supply details of the 'facts' with regard nutritional content/composition ranges, and then with this information an individual may or may not deem to further investigate themselves, maybe through seeking information on other peoples experiences, or maybe through choosing to consume some themselves (while taking the reccommended precautions with regards allergic reactions ie. only consume a very small amount in the first instance, and not at all if have allergy to Bee stings, etc, etc) and then any possible 'benefits' could be determined by the individual on the bases of this (as different people have different physiology etc etc and therefore different peoples respond differently). Enquiring (talk) 11:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Pollen ball
Isnt pollen ball the exact same substance? shouldnt the articles be merged?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Good catch. --Ronz (talk) 16:43, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to Bee pollen Mike Cline (talk) 17:43, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Bee bread → Bee pollen – Per WP:COMMONNAME; "bee pollen" is used more often with about 3,350,000 results in Google search vs. 90,100 results for "bee bread", and about 34,500 results for "bee pollen" in Google Books vs. 28,900 results for "bee bread". - M0rphzone (talk) 06:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Bee bread? Really? Maybe that's a specialist term; as the nominator has demonstrated, "bee pollen" is far more common and thus a more appropriate title. --BDD (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Effects on Humans
Bee pollen has the potential to do good to the human body. Even though the effects are not proven yet, they most likely will be in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmal0995 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Bee pollen may have some novel beneficial effects, but I just removed an unsourced statement claiming that herbalists believe it enhances athletic performance and helps with chemotherapy. I'm not interested enough to look into this topic, but a search in any academic database for effects of bee pollen on health should probably yield something.AioftheStorm (talk) 20:53, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Horrible article
This is a horrible entry. It's short and it's very messy. The information in it is related to different types of bees and they are mixed together which makes things even worse and inconsistent.

1. I'd like to know why the article should have a definition for bee pollen and then one for bee bread. Bee bread should not even be defined. It's not even necessary to mention it since it's not the main topic. Also, the link to the first reference is dead.

2. The introduction goes on to mention "chambers of wood and mud created by female ground-nesting bees" and this is linked to a second reference. It turns out the second reference refers to Megachile rotundata which is not the typical Apis mellifera honey bee everybody has in mind. To an average reader, this is misleading information. The reader will likely come to the conclusion that honey bees, if not all bees, 20000 species, store and nest underground which is highly atypical for Apis mellifera since they prefer high and dry locations for nesting.

3. The text continues and says that "When the pollen ball is complete, a single female lays an egg on top of the pollen ball, and seals the brood cell", following with a third reference. The information introduces something related to the genus Andrena which is again not the typical Apis mellifera honey bee everybody has in mind. Apis mellifera typically has the queen laying an egg in an empty cell and the cell gets capped several days later. Again, just like for the previous comment, the reader will generalize and the information is misleading.

4. The text says "Despite this microbial diversity, stored pollen (also called bee bread)". This contradicts the initial definition of bee pollen and bee bread. You can't just present X and Y and then say X is equal to Y.

5. "Like honey and propolis, other well-known honey bee products that are gathered rather than secreted". Again, this is wrong information. Honey bees do not gather honey. They gather nectar that is ingested and chemically converted into honey by means of enzymes.

This article needs a serious amount of work. Also, if bee bread needs to be a topic, it should be in another entry in Wikipedia.

ICE77 (talk) 04:52, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've had this article on my watchlist to work over for awhile now. I've caught a few of the issues you mentioned, but I'll try to address those and others when I get to them. It might be awhile until I get to this article, but I'll chime in if anyone else decides to work on it in the meantime. Kingofaces43 (talk) 13:47, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Questionable source
Proposed content: "Bee Pollen has been known to provide therapeutic, health benefits, and help with wound healing."

Abstract: "Bee pollen is a valuable apitherapeutic product greatly appreciated by the natural medicine because of its potential medical and nutritional applications. It demonstrates a series of actions such as antifungal, antimicrobial, antiviral, anti-inflammatory, hepatoprotective, anticancer immunostimulating, and local analgesic. Its radical scavenging potential has also been reported. Beneficial properties of bee pollen and the validity for their therapeutic use in various pathological condition have been discussed in this study and with the currently known mechanisms, by which bee pollen modulates burn wound healing process."

Seems the authors and reviewers were not familiar with proper English. Their research and conclusions seem worse, but let's see what others think. I posted to Ronz (talk) 17:53, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Bee pollen and bee bread
Hi,

The reason why I think that page about Perge, bee bread should be published is because of the amount of information there is to tell about bee bread and the wide use of bee bread. I know that you might think that the quantity of sources for bee bread is small, but that’s because it’s not as common as bee pollen. It’s a special product made from fermentation of pollen and honey, and not just pollen. (Honey is made from nectar) And also it isn’t that similar to pollen. It’s a total different product that after the fermentation contains different substances. And finally I would like to add that bee bread is also one of the most used bee products in the world. Thanks for your time and understanding. User:M0rphzone User:Mike Cline   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ica2000 (talk • contribs) 16:13, 11 June 2016 (UTC)


 * First, please read WP:WEIGHT. We are not a WP:CATALOG of recipes, etc. so we need sourced content that is actually noteworthy for an encyclopedia. We also deal with a lot of what we call WP:FRINGE issues in this topic where people try to market bee products in folk remedies, snake oil sales, etc. What specific content are you proposing and with what sourcing? Kingofaces43 (talk) 16:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't my intention to market bee bread and products that contain bee bread. I apologize if i did that. My article was purely made to inform people about bee bread, and its overall use. My opinion is just that bee bread is a big subject that needs its own page. It wouldn't be a good "support" information on the Bee Pollen, because of huge amount of information you can tell about it. I'm not sure though what you mean by sourcing. My sources are in my sandbox on the page "Perge". And also the fact that there is a page about honey and nectar (honey is made from nectar), why wouldn't there be a page about bee bread and pollen (Pollen and bee bread are more different in structure that honey and nectar). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ica2000 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Bee bread and Bee Pollen
I apologize if my article was interpretated wrongly. Pollen ball is a merely a product from flowers that bees collect. Bee bread is a compsition of pollen ball and honey that than is fermintated, where the chemical structure almost completely changes. If you still aren't sure how the production looks like, visit my page and read about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Perge. Also there is no such thing as bee pollen. Only Pollen and pollen ball. Thank you for your attention. User:Ica2000 —Preceding undated comment added 11:48, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you provide links to a few high-quality scientific sources that describe "bee bread" as a discrete topic, ? Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Bee bread
Hi, I would like to separate bee pollen and bee bread, since they are not one and the same thing. Bee bread is not bee pollen, and bee pollen is not plant pollent :) I would like to write an article on bee bread. Would gladly accept senior advice on how to do it, since I am new to Wikipedia. Thank you. NkChl (talk) 02:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)