Talk:Beebe Plain, Vermont

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re: # (cur) (last) 01:42, 27 Oct 2004 Redjar m (removed cat Towns in Vermont) May I ask why this category was removed? Beebe Plain is a town in Vermont as the border runs right through the middle of town. --carlb 06:09, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I realize it's been a long time since this question was asked. Beebe Plain is not itself a town. It is part of the town of Derby. -- Gridlock Joe 21:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Rename article?
Since the information about the Québec side of town has been moved to the Stanstead, Quebec article, shouldn't this page be renamed to Beebe Plain, Vermont? Thoughts? -- Gridlock Joe 21:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I (reluctantly) agree. There is clearly ambiguity. It would be nice to decide this prior to changing the links which sometimes point incorrectly to the American side. Hate to have to change them twice! Right now only a few of us referencing this page.Student7 23:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * While we are at it, does the remark about Beebe granite apply to the American side? Also, the comment about the abandoned Canadian RR right of way? Student7 01:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Since the rail-to-trail project extends into Vermont, it should be in both articles. I'm unsure about Beebe granite; the best I can remember (and it's been a few years since I've been there) the mining activity was on the Quebec side. -- Gridlock Joe 01:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have been bold and made the move. I believe I have fixed the links to the redir page. -- Gridlock Joe 23:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Census
Does the figure of 975 Canadians apply to the American side of the border? (okay, I'm willing to change the header now to Beebe Plain, Vermont!  :)Student7 02:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked at the Census Canada website today, and didn't find any figures broken down below the level of the town of Stanstead. -- Gridlock Joe 02:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the history of this page (as Beebe Plain, covering both halves of the village) and the "975 Canadian" figure appears to be from 1991's Canada census. If a census is taken every five years and the municipalité of Beebe legally existed until 1995, the use of the last census data in which this is still an independent municipality is likely by design. As for changing the header to Vermont only? No idea why this was done; this place's only real claim to fame is that it is split in half by the international boundary - remove that and it's hardly worth an article given pages about Derby Line, Vermont and Stanstead, Québec already extant. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 11:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * This is already "set in stone" for an American article only. A new article can be started for the overlapped village if one doesn't already exist. But the name needs to be clear so it isn't ambiguous - this one was, unfortunately I guess. There are four governments involved here, not just Canada and the US, but the Town of Derby, Vermont, and whatever Beebe, Canada has - Stanstead municipality or something? Needs to point to these two town/articles and be pointed to by them so that no one gets confused in the future.


 * As far as being split down the middle, this is far more dramatic in Derby Line-Rock Island where the two villages are fairly extensive and can't really be told apart. The names are different. Lots of examples both east and west, I'm sure. Student7 (talk) 13:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * An American article for Beebe Plain, Vermont should have simply been created as a new page instead of appropriating an existing binational article on the divided Beebe Plain village and moving it here. That wasn't done, and in retrospect, it is clear that the result is a mess - much of what was here originally was about Stanstead grey granite or Canadian statistics and should have been left where it was instead of being arbitrarily moved stateside. As for Derby Line-Rock Island, key landmarks would be the tool-and-die factory and the Haskell library, both split by the border; there are also some individual residences built pre-1908 that are divided. The municipal boundaries on the Canadian side place the three villages of Beebe, Rock Island, Stanstead all (arbitrarily) within the town limits of Stanstead, Quebec as of 1995 - even though geographically the three entities are separate. This appears as part of a larger provincial effort to close town halls. Hull, Québec awkwardly bearing the name of its largest suburb Gatineau and the annexation of various Montréal Island municipalities to the city of Montréal are also part of that debacle. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 15:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there anything we can do now to improve this page? We definitely shouldn't merge this with any Canadian community article, and I really can't see how it's helpful to discuss this page's history.  Nyttend (talk) 16:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * An editor has changed the disambig page for Beebe Plain to add info for a joint article. I suggested on the talk page there to drop the disambig and use that article as the new article in toto. The same problems will persist though since the villages are not quite as cohesive as they apprear. Census at different times not even counting people separately most likely, hard to come up with "joint" information that isn't WP:OR or extremely subjective. Student7 (talk) 22:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)