Talk:Beer pong/Archive 1

Impact on college and highschool culture
Do not re remove those stubs. There is no advantage for removing those sections just to comply with Good articles. The whole purpose of the stubs being there is to show that we do need content there. That should be our immediate focus to fill out those sections. Since i dont WP:OWN this article, I wont lose sleep whether or not its listed under good articles. --Larsinio 20:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

This section is entirely unnecessary, and should go under the Beer or Legal Drinking Age articles, if anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.59.67 (talk) 06:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Particular school rules
DO NOT ADD UNREFERENCED VARIATIONS BASED UPON YOUR SCHOOL. If a particular variation is popular, it needs to be referenced. try using [http://www.nbpl.net/rulesno.html this site to help. We are trying to make this a featured article and its important that we maintain references.. --Larsinio 20:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Should all variations be taken out completely? Every single one of the variations are uncited. Furthermore, this article should be focusing completely on Beer Pong itself and not different styles of playing that very few actually play. sharpdust  14:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Todo list
Awsome to see that the article is a recognized good article after investing so much time into it over the years. In order to further advance the quality of the article, there are some tasks that we will need to undertake. Here is my current list, in no particular order.


 * Referencing against various well-established rules sites such as those in general references.
 * Develop content on the effects on high schools/colleges/etc. I found a well-written article on High School beirut which I am probably going to use as a base for a discussion on high school play.
 * References in TV/Movies/Media
 * A few more images. We obviously do not need to turn this into a MySpace page of beirut games. But submissions of appropriate, properly referenced images are welcome. Reccomend 1st-party pictures so as to prevent dispute as to the origin of the picture and also to minimize any personal liability issues due to any persons depicted. Also these should be of the highest quality as possible, (much higher than my RAZR V3c's 1.3 megapixel with no flash can provide indoors). Especially useful would be mages of:
 * Game in progress showing cups, formations, shot types etc.
 * Pics from professional matches i.e. World Series of Beer Pong
 * We may want to find a way to leverage some of the more advanced organizational abilities of wikipedia, like special tables etc. May or may not be appropo to this article.
 * Thorough proofreading for typos, etc.

Major cleanup
Me and my friend (who has written a 30 page manual on beerpong) are going to be completely re-organizing the article. And definately add in some diagrams.

However, I firmly believe that Paddle beer pong should have its own article. Like what I tried to do with dartmouth pong, paddle pong should just have a brief introduction to the rules and then go its own main article. All we need to do is come up with a name, and i can go ahead with this small move (which will happen before the complete cleanup and improvement). I will be sandboxing this in User:Larsinio/beerpong. if anyone is eager to help with this big improvement (a push to FA really), talk to me and we'll get serious --Larsinio 17:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Its unfortunate no one replied about my upcoming major cleanup. Heres the plan. I plan on making one of those nice templates for the series of drinking games with links to the different variations. Its gonnab e nice. But this article is going to be expanded ot hte point where its gonan be necessary for Paddle Pong or Beer pong (paddles) is its own article. Id reccomend with teh name Beer Pong (paddles). Please weigh in

Article expansion details: Detailed rules and variations, Diagrams of table with preferred dimensions and so on. List of ettiquette rules. analysis of different shot variations, with a diagram showing the shot arcs for each. Variations of beer pong etc. --Larsinio 19:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Dartmouth Pong
Why does Dartmouth Pong get its own section? Are we going to make separate sections for every school that has its own variant of pong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wxlfsr (talk • contribs)

I believe Beer Pong is a different game from Beirut, so that Beirut might merit its own page, but I'm not sure. (I've never played either game, but I've had the distinction between Pong and Beirut explained to me.) Am I correct in saying that Beirut is a different game and merits its own page? Mike Church 13:14, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The Dartmouth game was founded in the '50s, 30 years before any other school was playing the more familiar thrown-ball Beirut/Beer Pong. It needs to have its own page because it predated all other variants of the game and has been recognized in a number of publications, including the New York Times, as the original "beer pong." Shrubman49 20:43, May 23, 2007

Rerack
A team is usually given a certain number of times that they can call a rerack and it is up to them to use it to best fit their strategy. The number of reracks is ranging anywhere from a 1 (used mainly for 6 cup) to 3 (used mainly for 10 cup). Although any number of reracks can be established to better suit the mood of the party of the level of competition, usually more reracks make the game move faster and easier for the unskilled unexperienced players.

Beirut is different from beer pong
I definitely agree that Beirut is played with your hands as a simple shot game, and Beer Pong is played with paddles (variations of the more specific rules vary with house and region). At least at Princeton, Univ. of Washington, MIT, and Boston College (all places I have played Beirut and Beer Pong excessively) this distinction between the names of the games was made. My friends at Dartmouth did not make this distinction, however, but they are the only ones I know who do not distinguish between the games.

It appears that Berkeley pong is identical to Dartmouth pong. Perhaps it would make more sense to describe "lob pong" as the generally accepted form of Dartmouth-style pong, and list the schools where paddle pong is popular. I think more pictures would make this more clear. Maybe I'll edit this page for clarity in the future.


 * I disagree that "beer pong" means a paddle is used. I've played at George Washington, Cornell, Maryland, with Virginia Tech players, and at bars in Washington, DC, and we always have called it "beer pong," and never used a paddle. It must vary from college to college or city to city, which means we need to change some things. There's a lot of disagreement on this page about this, we should attempt to make the article more accurate. The idea about listing paddle pong schools is a good one. Awiseman 21:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * He's right. Here at McGill and other Canadian universities, as far as I have seen, Beer Pong is played without paddles. Beirut and Beer Pong should remain the same article.

Who plays beer pong with a paddle
It's always been called beer pong and it always involves throwing the ball. I didn't even hear of beruit until my NH roommate mentioned the name. We still call it beer pong though. And what's with the picture of the homos? 72.224.120.101

for as long as i have been in college my older siblings and parents and their siblings all knew that beer PONG relates with the paddles like in ping PONG and that beruit is known as the game of throwing the ball into eachothers cup. so for the middle school graduate that "didn't even hear" of beruit being the throwing game, i have never heard of someone calling the best game ever beer pong. even in beerfest the extras talks about how the games are completely different and beruit should never be called beer pong because beruit has no paddles. i think people entering a beruit game should be slapped and told to leave if they call the game beer pong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.101.131.239 (talk • contribs)
 * Ok. This article says that some people call it beirut and some people call the same game beer pong. Just because you don't doesn't mean we're changing it. --AW 15:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Names of the game

Regardless of what some random Ivy leaugers did back in the day, if you go to any major college and say "beer pong" it means the same thing as "Beirut". The term "Beirut" came about because beer pong gained popularity in the 1980s when the Lebanese Civil War was raging. The city of Beirut was an urban war zone where Christian, Muslim, Syrian and at one point, Israeli soldiers were fighting. It was common during the city fighting for mortars to be used as well as soldiers firing machine guns from tall building windows. The concept of lobbing a ball into a cup is the macabe symbolism of firing down from a building at someone else.

The page for beer pong is done well but the photos absolutely suck. The photos focus on someone's gay lover and not on the game itself. I urge someone to get some photos uploaded that focus more on the table and game lay out. And maybe get some photos with GIRLS.


 * As much as your folk etymology of the name "Beirut" sounds reasonable, to make that claim would require some sources. Especially since there is a quasi-argument between the people who think the game is called "beer pong" and claim otherwise.

- Agreed wholeheartedly.. i'm hoping to put together some table diagrams at some point and put them on there. And yeah, we need some girls on the page to er, accentuate the pan-genered nature of the game.

Some issues with this page
I went to school in the DC area, and we always called it beer pong and never used a paddle. I visited Cornell, Maryland, and Va. Tech, and they all called it beer pong too. I think the "Beer Pong is with paddles, Beirut is not" is not accurate.

Also I don't think that Matthew Atwan's "Notable Event" belongs here, unless people post similar records at their schools - I'm sure schools have all kinds of records like this. Maybe there should be a separate list for records at various schools.

Awiseman 21:17, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I have been to schools ranging from university of maryland, frostburg, towson, over to xavier in cincinatti, and all the way down to Ole miss and the game is called beer pong. The game involves Beer and pong balls.. makes sense. Bei Ruit is a slum in Lebanon and should have no association.

why is it called Beirut
The NYTimes recently ran an article about Beer Pong and Beirut, interesting to add to links if someone wants to: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/national/16games.html?hp&ex=1129435200&en=562392f92a6a286c&ei=5094&partner=homepage Also, they stated "sometimes called Beirut for some reason", and a friend of mine posted something people from Beirut said after being taught the game: "I met some people from Beirut, and explained the game to them...not even knowing about it or the rules..they right away know why its called Beirut. They automatically knew it represented the "bombings" from East Beirut to West Beirut and vise-versa when they were at war in the 70's." Interesting history!
 * it says in the Wikipedia page why it's called Beirut Awiseman 14:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Someone just changed "Beer pong" into "Beirut" again: we should finally solve this enormous problem. Extremely sexy 14:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

What the hell??
Someone royally screwed up this page. Obviously another dartmouth kid. Reverting.

Remove Dartmouth Pong
Dartmouth pong needs to be removed, as well as any other association to any group. Variations exist throughout the country, and there certainly isn't enough space for a description of every single one. The page should merely include general information about beer pong and some other minor facts.

--Separate opinion
 * I'm sorry, but it seems to me that someone from dartmouth is co-opting this particular article. Dartmouth is no more special than any other school. I think it should be removed from the main page, otherwise, we should add every other variant from various schools.

Beer Pong/Beirut
I wish people would stop changing the definition of the games - in some places "Beer Pong" is the game without paddles, just throwing it, whereas in other places "Beer Pong" means using paddles. Just because in your town it's called "Beirut," it doesn't mean it's that way everywhere. Awiseman 14:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The answer is that people should start citing sources and stop inserting and deleting assertions on their own personal authority. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I took care of it. I also got it page-protected, so it won't be changed again... without valid sources/research. -  hmwith  talk   18:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

External link overload
Are all the 20 links notable? If there are no objections, I'll remove all non-notable sites after a week. -- Perfecto 04:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Great cleanup
Whoever did the cleanup, it's really good, the page looks a lot better and is more organized. Awiseman 18:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Youre welcome. I'm mwaiting for a friend of mine to help me out with pictures.. Pictures i need (if you want to help)

--Larsinio 18:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Side view pictures of different shot techniques in motion (time-lapse if possible)
 * overhead view/diagram of beer pong playing field
 * Good beer pong action pics
 * a picture of the standard 16 oz cup.


 * excellent cleanup. (thanks for keeping my referee pic) Amit 05:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Its getting there. We need a shitload of references however, in order to become a featured article. IF you can supply good side/perspective view of games in motion than help me out. We also need a seciton on how peop[le create their own beer pong tables, adn the tpes of crazy varations people will make such as makign a fotobal themed table with field goals. --03:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It was the only picture i found (which actually I found by accident) that shows an overhead/good perspective4 view of a game in motion. Please upload more suitable pics if you can (dont overwrite tho, as this picture is still interesting!). i also need pictures of like crazy different tables --Larsinio 21:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

High schools and colleges
I'm not sure we should have the high schools and colleges section in the article, since soon enough we'll probably have a ton of each listed. I think this section should be deleted and possibly converted into some other article, "High schools and colleges where beer pong is played." Even that is sort of pointless though. Awiseman 22:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * THats not my intention. The whole point is on the impact of highschool and college culture that beer pong has played a role in. I.e. need some references maybe about a school cracking down on a dirnking game, or this drinkign game becoming a problem for a community, or how colleges have embraced beer pong with school sponswred water pong events. IM just speculating, but im sure its out there --Larsinio 22:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, that makes sense. Maybe you should change the titles then or remove the sections altogether until you find something about that then, otherwise people who don't read the talk will just add their own place. Awiseman 17:01, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Friend's door as a table? Perhaps, perhaps not, I don't know, but it sounds silly. --Mystaker1 20:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC) '''

there has to be titles given to teams that win a certain amount of games in a row...i heard 7 in a row gives you dynasty status...can anyone confirm that? 68.199.37.225 23:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)jackie\ 30 January 2006 (UTC)'''

Naked Lap
Original text

Naked Lap
+	 If a game is won without allowing the other team a turn, the game is said to be a "flush." If the losing team fails to make a cup, the game is said to be a "sweep." In some locales, an embarrassing consequence such as streaking or otherwise known as a "naked lap" must be performed by the losing team if they are either "flushed" or "swept." This lap, most commonly, consists of the losing team disrobing and running a full lap around the house or whatever establishment in which the game was played.

Comments
Please indicate if you have heard about this, and tag the school you heard it from I have heard about this before. Rutgers University --Larsinio 20:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Solicit comments if you like, but be aware that personal testimony of Wikipedians doesn't meet the requirement of the verifiability policy. Every edit box says at the bottom that content must be verifiable, and links to the verifiability policy page. This says that Wikipedia material must have been published by a reputable source. If you want material on a "naked lap" in the article, you need to find something like a print publication or a good web publication that describes these "naked laps." An online edition of a college newspaper would probably be acceptable. A blog or a web forum would almost certainly not be.


 * Remember, the issue isn't whether naked laps are "real," it's whether you can find a verifiable source for them. "Verifiable" means that any reader can check out the source for themselves and verify that it confirms what the article says.


 * So, people responding with comments: just naming a school at which you've "heard" of this occuring isn't going to help that much... although naming the school may help someone find a source. The important thing is to find a description of beer pong naked laps has already been published. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Article removed from Good articles
This article was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because some of the sections are stubs. Also, the TOC is huge and the authors might consider merging some sections. A few more references would help a lot as well. Worldtraveller 00:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Got rid of the stubs.. nobody was adding anything to them yet anyways. Merged down a few things. I'm not sure what else we can do with the TOC. Oh, and sidebar, the good articles page has a MASSIVE TOC.

Art.com Poster
DragonWR12LB added a poster from Art.com of ten cup. Is this picture really necessary? First of all, it's a commercial poster which I'm not sure is allowed due to copyright. Second, it adds no effect to the article that the other images haven't already done. Finally, the poster features the tag line "Heroes are made one cup at a time," which seems to suggest a POV that being good at beer pong makes you a "hero." Whereas there is no mention that becoming a hero may also involve you severly intoxicated after playing many games. Sharpdust 17:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I added this poster because all the places that I play beer pong this poster sits on a wall somewhere, it isn't that important to the actual game itself but more of the social position. If you want to remove it I don't care I just thought it would be a good addition because so many people who play beer pong have this poster. --DragonWR12LB 18:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Again this information must be verified. I know personalyl ihave never seent his poster. I mean this poster could be used to help desribe beer pong as a cultural phenom, but I believe it may be a possible copvio. If you have good reference about this post being commonly used in places that play beer pong then we have no problem using it. But we all appreciate your eagerness to help. Be bold!--Larsinio 19:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If you look at the picture the copyright info is on the page accompanying so I don't think copy vio is a problem. --DragonWR12LB 05:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I highly object ot the poster being used, especially as a lead image, considering that it may be a possible copyright violation. It is better being used in the impact on culture section, especialyl cionsdierign tahts a typical college-dorm like poster. --Larsinio 20:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have listed the image as a / fair use disputed work. It may be deleted. Considering this i picture of commercial artwork, I am pretty sure it will be deleted. --Larsinio 21:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought I included all the necessary information about copyright. Anyway the image is very crisp and clean and works well for a lead image, however I picture of a true beer pong game with standard rules might be better, the 600 cups is a rare variation and more common game pictures should be at the top. If a better picture is found then the poster would be great at the impact on culture section. DragonWR12LB 07:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Full Contact text
This was posted as another variant, but I removed it because there was already a Full Contact variant listed and it didn't seem too accurate - 1871? It's a lot of text, so I didn't want to delete it forever


 * Full Contact Beirut – Probable as the most violent form of beer pong, full contact beirut was believed to have been started by Pikas at The College of William and Mary circa 1871. Two teams of two players each assemble two racks of six cups on each side of the table.  One beer is poured into each rack of six.  The game begins with one player on each team in possession of a ball.  The first shot of the game is taken simultaneously by both teams while looking into the eyes of their opponent.  From this point on, every loose ball is fair game, provided is has touched a hard surface after leaving the hand of the shooter.  Any action necessary to obtain the ball is warranted unless one is in clear possession of the ball.  There are no roll-backs to ensure the steady flow of the game.  Once a total of 6 or less cups remain on a side, they must be consolidated into a single pyramid but only if asked to do so by the shooting team.  Failure to ask for a rerack will put the shooter at risk of having his ball swatted by the receiving team.  The game is complete when all of the cups on one side have been made unless the team to make the last shot has only one cup remaining.  This allows for one last redemption shot to be taken by one member of the losing team.  If this shot is made, sudden death overtime immediately ensues and the first team to make the next shot wins allowing a missed redemption shot from the other team.  If at any point of the game two balls are made in the same cup, play of the game is paused while the receiving team shotguns one beer each.  This is called a Beirut.  Full contact beirut is not for the weak as games can become fairly intense and sometimes escalate to extreme violence.  Hospital visits are common and have led some to wear athletic gear including padding and helmets.

Geographic perspective?
Why is the geographic perspective tag on here? I think we should remove it, is there a good reason not to? --Awiseman 18:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Game variations needs separate page
I think the "game variations" section should be moved to a new page. Most are referenced and it makes the article very long. --Awiseman 18:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done --larsinio ( poke )( prod ) 18:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Awiseman 19:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

We just call it pong here
I'm not arrogant enough to assume that Dartmouth is more notable than every other college in america, but I think this comes under the worldwide view criticism raised above. The game that this article is describing is called "Beruit" by the majority of its players. Pong with paddles (at dartmouth and elsewhere) is referred to as pong. Obviously more people play beruit than pong but do more people refer to beruit without paddles as pong than with paddles? Beer pong honestly refers to basically any game involving paddles and beer.


 * Yea, New England calls it beirut. the name is much better, as it immediately differentiates between Beer Pong (paddles) and Beirut.  alas, this so called "logic" is confined mainly to new england (and also, i suppose, the north east).  I know very few people outside of these 6 or 7 states that call it beirut.  another example of new england simply being better, i suppose. 82.82.169.103 09:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Problem: YOU'VE seen it called Beirut, but the fact is that MANY people play "beer pong" without paddles. Sure, it would be nice to have different names so that it is immediately clear whether one is referring to the game with paddles or without, but what is best is NOT what should dictate. Instead, society dictates. By this, I mean that yes, "beer pong" was _probably_ first played with paddles (and only paddles), BUT IN TODAY'S WORLD, people do in fact play "beer pong" without paddles. I would also suggest (although I do not have any source, I'm guessing you do not either, but I am confident that I am in a position that exposes me to more of the players of the world than any position you are in) that it is not safe to say that a "majority" of players call the game Beirut.

Out of fairness, I must admit that I learned the game "beer pong" at undergrad without paddles, and I also saw the game of "beer pong" (again, without paddles) in grad school - both schools were in separate parts of the country. As I already alluded to, however, I have seen substantial evidence that a large number of people do play "Beer Pong" without paddles. At the same time, I firmly believe that it is not proper to disrespect history and try to say that "beer pong" does not mean you cannot play with paddles. Any person that suggest beer pong means strictly WITH or WITHOUT paddles is simply immature and must be more openminded. My observations (NOTE: this is NOT based on my personal upbringing or how I personally play the game) have shown that people play "beer pong" both with and without paddles. . . period. It is also obvious that "Beirut" is strictly known as the version of the game played without paddles. Accordingly, the only fair way to define these terms (and again, not based on my personal feelings but based on what SOCIETY is doing) is to say that "beer pong" is a more broad term that refers to the game both WITH and WITHOUT paddles, and "Beirut" refers to the game as played without paddles.

Bottom line: people need to stop trying to define the terms based on how they personally learned the game because (1) they may have learned the game in a geographic region that does not adequately represent society in general, and/or (2) the definition of "beer pong" may have shifted since the time the person learned the game. Get over YOUR definition, and define the term based on how SOCIETY is using it. That is all. ..


 * Hey, buddy, chill - we're on the same side. Due to the general public's utter lack of logical thinking skills, the game in question has begun to be referred to as "beer pong," despite this making no sense; this leaves only the more cognizant sections of the country (i.e. New England) to refer to it by it's proper name.  As you see, this point is alluded to in my origninal response (well, hell, it's more than an allusion - I straight out said it), but the finer points of "comprehension" might have eluded you.  Bottom line: though it is unfortunate, common usage means that the bastardized name of "Beer Pong" must be used to refer to a game which should rightfully only be called "Beirut."  82.82.175.70 12:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Good article
I enjoyed reading this. Very informative and interesting. I cleaned up some of the language, and I removed the geographic tag as inappropriate, but did very little. I've nominated the article as a good article. SilkTork 13:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

There are header messes here

 * ==foo missing closing ==
 * Inconsistent use of  in conjunction with the ''' low-level section titles. I assume this style is used instead of ==foo== in order to keep minor subheadings out of the index? DMacks 16:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes otherwise the TOC would be way tooo long . --larsinio ( poke )( prod ) 13:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Impact on High Schools
Why do we have a section on Impact on High Schools on this page. I think this should be more on a teen drinking page considering that it has very little to do with beer pong specifically.
 * Anonymous - because it happens in high schools. We need more content on it, but it happens. --Awiseman 15:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Variations
I say we take out Battleship, Surprise, Full Contact and NBA Jam and add them to the beer pong variations page. The article is pretty long as it is, and those seem like less popular variations. --Awiseman 17:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

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American Beer Pong Assocation rules?
I don't know where this came from, but I say we take it out, or at least make it a new article. It's pretty long, and who knows if that group is notable or what. Thoughts? --Awiseman 22:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll second that. One thing that pisses me off is people that claim to be some type of official authority on beer pong. There are no official rules, there is no official table, and there is no official league/association. There's maybe a site or so that could claim to have some type of official stand on beer pong, but it/they seem to take the position that there is no official anything.

Photos
I think the photos we have now are fine, but User:Joedoubt22 disagrees, posting a photo with the caption of "Beer Pong Legends.", clearly a vanity photo of him or his buddies. The other photo shows the game better, and it's about to go into a revert war. Anybody else have an opinion? --Awiseman 21:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok...I think this is good...i like that picture on top better too, because it does show a better picture of how the game of beer pong is generally set up —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joedoubt22 (talk • contribs).
 * I agree, but I also think the other photo of the guys shooting is better than yours, as you can see the technique better. If you have any better photos though, feel free to add them --Awiseman 19:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Beer pong variations question
I'm working on Beer pong variations and have a quandary - what do you all think about the games that say "created at Such and Such University." Should we google them or delete them? If they're all kept, this list could get very long very fast, as I'm sure each school has their own slight variations. --Awiseman 19:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Virginia rules, New Jersey rules etc
In a lot of places in this article, it lists regional variations - are these really necessary? Usually they're unsourced and in some cases the sources are just a website where you send in your own rules - that hardly makes it a reliable source. --Awiseman 19:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

on fire?
What the hell? I've never heard of something as silly as that...--Ioshus (talk) 20:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

No, that's a quality rule, and it's a reference to NBA JAM. I approve. --drumrollz@comcast.net 22:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)