Talk:Beer pong/Archive 2

Dead link
Hey guys, link #2 is dead.


 * Where? --AW (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Archived talk

 * Talk:Beer pong/Archive 1 - 2006

Beer pong variations about to be deleted
Beer pong variations is about to be deleted because most of it is unreferenced. We need to find references for some of those games. --AW 19:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Version 0.7
This article looks comprehensive and fun, but this article falls outside the scope of the Version 0.7 release. It will automatically be considered for all future release versions. Thanks, Walkerma 04:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you explain a little more? --AW 21:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A brief overview of the criteria is given here. For Version 0.7, we are focusing on making sure that we get articles selected mainly on the basis of their importance.  We hope (using a bot for help) to get 5-10,000 articles in this release, which means we may be able to include 30 articles related to US sports.  We want these to be some of the most important topics in the field.  In order to include this article, we would have to rank it as more important than topics like Super Bowl or New York Yankees (neither of which are yet included).  I consider it to be less important than topics such as these.  However, we are planning on expanding the scope of our releases, and so we can probably include this article in a later release (it will automatically be renominated for all future release versions).  Hope this clarifies things! Walkerma 06:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Legal status
I just added a legal status section where a few places have tried to ban the game. Feel free to expand it --AW 19:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Reorganization
I like the reorganization, but I re-added the origins and the Bud Pong sections as I think they're important. People always debate about the name, and the Bud Pong thing got a lot of press. Thoughts? --AW 17:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Page protection
I applied Beer pong for semi-protection, and it got it for one month. That way, random IP-users will stop changing it to Beirut again. If those who kept changing it actually looked at the article, sources, or facts, they could clearly see that the name that they call it in their "home town" or "high school" isn't what the rest of the world calls it... but they don't, and they won't. So, hopefully, for the next month, we won't have to deal with tedious reverts again and again. -  hmwith  talk   18:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone has again added the claim that a name for this game is "Beirut". This time, the claim was added here (as far as I can tell). Since this has been going on since 2007, much longer than I thought, I will just add a citation needed tag. But it seems unlikely that the game is named "Beirut". Westin Dodger 19:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Original research?
I removed that tag, because it seems pretty well sourced to me --AW 21:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Beer Pong Skill Curve
Hey Guys,

If you play with the 2 cups -> rollback rule then it becomes a quadratic skill curve as Seen Here

The mathematical proof of the graph equations can be seen here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:PongMath.gif

I don't know where it would fit (if at all) into the article. I suppose I'll leave that to the communities discretion. SFoster83 (talk) 23:39, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Tournaments
I think this section is getting out of hand. How about we include a few that actually have news articles from other sources, then say "There are additional tournaments, such as the ____,____, and____" --AW 21:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The tournaments & leagues section is quite sparse. How is there no mention of the World Series of Beer Pong or the World Pong Tour? Major leagues throughout the nation such as MD Beer Pong, Socal Beer Pong, NYLI Beer Pong, Florida Beer Pong, & CHBPL aren't listed either. Anyone who is into beer pong at the national level knows that these are the notable beer pong leagues & tournaments. I'm new to Wikipedia, but I'll try to add to this section and cite sources.Drizo1585 (talk) 04:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Drizo1585, and think it makes no sense how currently there are two university leagues that I have never even heard of being referenced, and yet these much more prominent ones listed by Drizo (which have been around for years, have web sites and organized statistics) are nowhere to be mentioned. It seems like preference is being given unfairly by whoever edited this section in the past. Drizo I say go ahead and run with it, and update the tournament section to more accurately reflect the national community. Also the world pong tour is not on the same level as the world series of beer pong, but right now they are being mentioned in the same breath/sentence. I think thats pretty misleading, because the WSOBP gives awak $50,000 and in contrast you actually OWE money if you win at the WPT, because you have to pay taxes on airfare prize. SFoster83 (talk) 00:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Haven't been on here for a while.. but I tried to edit the page again and Wikipedia keeps blocking it... Here are some changes that need to be made to tournaments: 1) Remove the paragraph about the high school coach allowing students to play beer pong... what does this have to do with tournaments? 2) Create separate paragraphs for: a) The World Series of Beer Pong (being the world's largest beer pong tournament) b) Other larger tournaments in the US. World Beer Pong Tour, Clutchpong, any others? c) Leagues - Socal, MD Beer Pong, CHBPL... any others?

Is there a way that I can edit this without it being blocked?? Drizo1585 (talk) 03:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I dont know how to edit this so i hope im not blocked but i completely agree with the above staments. I also added the largest company out east Snatch Alley Tables because they hold weekly tournaments all over New England and unlike WSOBP you win a prize every night.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.43.0.1 (talk) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Good Article Review
It is not clear to me that this article actually ever went through a proper review for GA status. See Good Article Review if you think you can help resolve this. If no one addresses this, the article may well be de-listed. ike9898 16:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We have a lot of work to do. We need to add citations, fix the original research section, and more. Let's get to work. --AW 14:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * References are formatted. See WP:CIT for help using this. You'll need consistency with references to regain GA. Lara  ♥Love  06:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

The article has been delisted from WP:GA due to lack of sufficient referencing. The archived discussion from WP:GA/R can be found here. Once the article is brought up to standards, it can be renominated at WP:GAC. Regards, Lara  ♥Love  22:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Protecting the page?
This page has had a lot of vandalism lately, anybody think we should semi-protect it for a little while? That means block newly registered and IP users from editing for a few days or a week --AW 21:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Not vandalism, true fact
I heard several times (ironically first at Lehigh), that beer pong was actually first played at the Delta Kappa Epsilon (DKE) fraternity at Lafayette College, and spread to Bucknell, and then Lehigh, where the name Beirut was added to it. Since everything about the history of the game is based off of rumor and hearsay anyways, and there is no way to prove it either way, I don't think theres anything wrong with changing that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.147.158.176 (talk • contribs)
 * If you have a reliable source for that, please add it. Otherwise we really can't. --AW (talk) 21:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * At a recent visit to Lafayette college I've heard similar claims; i think my edit is a good compromise --Squiems (talk) 08:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Referee
Why is there a picture of some random guy acting as referee? Does anyone actually use them? Or is this just some guy who has uploaded his picture to get on wikipedia. I move to delete it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.63.59 (talk) 04:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagree, I think it's useful. --AW (talk) 17:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

This picture is useless. For all anyone could know, it could have been taken at a Halloween party with some kid dressed as a ref. It does not tell anything about the nature of the game, how it is played, or describe any kind of strategy. It is only there so this kid can say "Hey, I'm the guy on the beer pong page on Wikipedia"(Rayman19 (talk) 13:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC))

I Agree with Rayman. I have been to many 'professional' beer pong tournaments that are run by bars, leagues, or beer pong organizations and not one has had a ref watch the tables. The closest thing to a ref is somebody facilitating the games by helping to bring beer around, etc. This picture is clearly a mock-up. I move to delete.Drizo1585 (talk) 05:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I also agree that it should be removed, even though the photograph is funny. It isn't useful to understanding the game.--Smashrgrl (talk) 03:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

This guy is my cousin and invented the game... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.186.44.145 (talk) 21:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Cleaning Cups
There is no mention in the article of the commonly used cups of water to rinse the off the balls before play, especially if they have fallen on the ground or floor. I think this should be added. Any comments about the name of these cups? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smashrgrl (talk • contribs) 03:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I have never heard them called anything other than a water cup. SFoster83 (talk) 00:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

mormons and rootbeer
Hey, just inviting anyone who works on this article to take a look at a quote we found over at la: from Bill Maher about mormons and rootbeer pong: la:Pong_cervisiale. Regards --Ioscius (talk) 14:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Better instructions on how to play?
Maybe I overlooked something but shouldn't the game play section explain how to play, step by step. I.e. Team one throws X balls ... Then team two throws ... until all of one team's cups are empty and the losing team also drinks all other remaining beers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.20.61 (talk) 09:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

There are no specific instructions on how to play but it is a must to agree on rules before begining the game. Especially since people are drinking and tend to get fistey. People must have written or agreed rules discussed before hand. There are way too many variations available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.201.75 (talk) 01:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I think "Games typically use ten cups" should be changed to "Games typically use six or ten cups." I've found many references to both online and more importantly the linked source for that statement says, "The first team to sink a ball in all six of its opponent’s cups wins," giving evidence for six cups. This is obviously not a pressing issue, but I think it's reasonable. (108.48.67.231 (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC))

Lynn Swann photo
I added a photo of former Pittsburgh Steeler and 2006 candidate for Pennsylvania Governor Lynn Swann at a tailgate party at a Steelers-Eagles pre-season game on August 25, 2006. It is notable because this is a candidate for major office actually playing beer pong with for voters during a tailate party. It was covered in the Philly Inquirer. The photo from the event is courtesy. The photo has been released under the proper license and approved by OTRS.--Eclipse98 (talk) 15:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome photo, thanks. --AW (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

THIS PAGE IS TERRIBLE
This is lacking so much information about the game. I remember a few months back there was so much more on the page and now it's got nothing... 69.19.14.27 (talk) 01:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Beer Pong Table image
Size: 800x600px Should Image:BeerPongQualityTable.jpg be added back into the article? It was featured on the page in late 2006, but later deleted. The image shows a hand-painted plywood board, used as a table during in-house beer pong tournaments at an Australian university residence, in Wollongong, NSW. I am not the uploader of the image, although I do live at the college where the pictured board resides. (To my knowledge the table hasn't been used recently due to new rules about drinking in large groups.) --TerrorBite (talk) 05:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not opposed to putting it in, but I couldn't fit it in without the page design looking kind of messed up. --AW (talk) 20:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Adding a Tournament Sub-Section
Ok I tried adding a tournament subsection called "Transition into the Competitive Scene" and have encountered some resistance by GlassCobra on the grounds that it is mostly OR.

I have a few questions concerning this.. For a game that has evolved out of house parties, how exactly am I supposed to cite that the first paragraph is true?

I did my best to remain impartial, but at the same time I consider those facts to be common sense or common knowledge. How would you possibly cite that house parties don't have as many tables as a tournament?

On another subject.. I do consider this to be relatively significant information. There are a countless number of people who have only played at parties, and react with shock and rejection when they witness people leaning over the table. Just go look at any video from the world series of beer pong (youtube or college humor) and observe the SLEW of comments concerning this.

It's because people just don't understand the differences. They have never deal with serious money on the line and having their opponent blatantly cheat, with no ref around. Or even worse actually tried to run a tournament and have 4 players bitch about their opponents cheating all at the same time with no way to enforce any of this.

I was just trying to shed some light on why things are the way they are. Any thoughts? Input on how this knowledge can be included into the article?

Below is my attempted addition, with some slight modifications:

"Beer pong originated amongst smaller social gatherings, which generally consisted of only one or two tables set up for gameplay at each particular event, and all surplus teams waiting in line for their turn to compete. This is in contrast to the competitive tournaments seen today, where there are likely to be zero referees, and a minimum of 6 to 8 tables playing at once. For this reason many rules came into being that were reasonable in a party atmosphere, but were poorly suited for the competitive scene.

With a lack of referees, the consumption of alcohol by competitors, and many tables set up for simultaneous play, an effort has been made by tournament organizers to reduce the number of rules that mandate a large reliance on judgement calls. This in turn helps to reduce the number of in-game arguments between players, which is vital for tournaments to run smoothly and conclude in a shorter amount of time.

Some examples of rules generally absent within the tournament scene are a limit to how far your elbow may cross over table while shooting, and various forms of player defense for ejecting balls that have made it into a cup but remain in motion by circling the inner rim." SFoster83 (talk) 02:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree with User:Glasscobra on this. While some of what you wrote may be true, we'd need to have reliable sources (i.e. news articles etc) for it all, otherwise the article could just be a huge list of possible house rules and it'd be very difficult to keep the valid stuff from the stuff that somebody made up one day. You also need to make sure the article doesn't become a how-to article, as that is frowned upon by Wikipedia folks. --AW (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the response. I agree about the list of rules, and I was trying to avoid that but also conceed that it's a slippery slope. Although it is difficult to provide citations for a game with such a grassroots movements, I will keep an eye out for the possibility. SFoster83 (talk) 13:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

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Exxageration about e. Coli
It says in the article that E. Coli has been found un these games, however what the first source claims, is that they found bacterias of the same FAMILY of the E. Coli. "After shooting, teams may dunk the ping pong balls into cups of water in order to wash the balls off. However, research showed that the wash cups still hold bacteria, such as E. coli." 157.253.22.14 (talk) 01:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You must have misheard. Read the article again. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 04:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 01:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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Beer Pong
Hey there! I like beer pong. Do you think it's quite unusual to have a game called "beer pong"? I don't. -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 05:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Herpes hoax
There was apparently a recent news storm about people acquiring flu, mono, and herpes from playing beer pong. The CDC eventually squashed the rumour. Does someone want to write that up, please? Callmenaomi (talk) 18:56, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks like it was a hoax. The real question is whether or not it is a notable enough event that it will matter to the Beerpong article one year from now.  To me it's along the same lines as a trivia section.  NJGW (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, it seems that herpes could be transmitted through cups, so there's no sense in providing false hope. NJGW (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Object of the game.
I remember reading this particular article a LONG time ago, and looking at this discussion page it looks like it all went downhill with the removal of the "variations" section. That section was not just a random list of house rules written in by tons of people, it had a VERY DETAILED description of the basic object of the game and some "universal" rules. Now the entire article seems vague and jumbled. The gameplay and winning the game sections seem like they were written in two minutes and whoever wrote it kept throwing new ideas in at random whereas it used to be a very cohesive and detailed step-by-step list.

Just sayin'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcleve41 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, fair enough. I just tried to make the intro more focused. --AW (talk) 03:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Enviromental impact section
I removed the environmental impact section, it seemed like Original research, was mostly about plastic cups and didn't have any references --AW (talk) 04:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Alcohol Tolerance
I don't think alcohol tolerance should be listed as a skill, since not very much alcohol is actually consumed in the game of pong... it just coincides with the party environment of consuming alcohol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.232.165 (talk) 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Origin Of The Game
While reference material to prove that Beirut was first introduced to the world at Lehigh University in 1984 is lacking, it is a commonly known fact among students during this time that the game was conceived of and first played by Brian Poulton and other members of the Nu Deuteron Charge of Theta Delta Chi Fraternity. The game played by The Charge was actually much more challenging than the basic version covered elsewhere herein, in that it included 15-20 cups of beeer spread randomly across each team's side of the table. The random placement makes getting the ball into a cup more difficult, since there is no rebound from surrounding cups, as in the triangle placement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GusFromLehigh (talk • contribs) 11:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Please note the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Personal claims comprise original research, which is not acceptable for establishing the verifiability of claims.  To establish verifiability requires references from sources that qualify as reliable sources under Wikipedia guidelines. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

throwing wet balls
In my experience many people like to dunk the ball then shake off excess water/beer before throwing. The article talks about washing the ball but from what I've seen it's actually a way to make the ball heavier which makes it easier to hit the target. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.104.150.164 (talk) 23:16, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Support for the Bucknell Creation Hypothesis
Brian "Stubby" Poulton said he saw a crude version of beer pong when he visited Bucknell in 1983. Apparently, this led to the creation of beer pong. The Dartmouth Independent and The Daily Princeton both support this story and are already references on this page. I have pictures that help support this story. The pictures I have show Delta Upsilon members at Bucknell University playing a game similar to beer pong. I have scanned the images and posted them on a blog, along with an explanation of what they were playing. The url of the blog is here: http://throwpong.blogspot.com/2011/06/throw-pong-true-origin-of-beirut-beer.html I think this story would be a great addition to the Origin of Beer Pong section of this article. The problem is I can't use my blog as a reference. How would I go about trying to get this information verified and posted on this wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbmriver1 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Although the pictures are not from a reliable source and cannot be used, I think you could add to the article the rest of the information in your edit about "Throw pong" and its origins, as covered by the Daily Princetonian. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 06:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

3D Beer Pong
3D Beer Pong was created by Devin G Ewart in Mooresville, North Carolina. In this variation of the game the standard 6 cup grid applies as it would in regulation beer pong with 3 cups on the back line, 2 cups on the 2nd line, and 1 cup on the front, creating a pyramid whose point is facing the opposing team. Then stack 3 cups on top of the connecting lower cups in the same triangular shape. Finally stack 1 final cup on top to finish the 3D Beer Pong pyramid. Each of the cups are filled with 1" of the teammates choice of liquid refreshment.

If the player sinks a ping pong ball into the bottom tier of cups then the opposing team must replace that cup with a cup from the upper tier and they must consume the contents of the cup in which the ball was thrown in. This step is repeated and if both teammates make both of their ping pong balls in their opponents cups then they keep playing until they miss the shot. If the ball sinks into a cup and knocks a cup from the top tier into the lower tier then they opponents have to drink the contents of all three cups (the cup with the ball, the cup on the bottom of the other cup, the cup on top of the lower cup that is now conjoined).

If at anytime in the game an opponent makes the cup fall into another cup but does not sink a ball into the cup will have another opportunity "redemption shot" to make the ping pong ball into a cup. If the shooter doesn't make the ball into a cup on the redemption shot then the shooter has to drink the contents of the cups who fell into each other. If the shooter makes the ball into a cup on the redemption shot then the opponents have to drink the contents of both drinks. This prevents players from forcibly and intentionally trying to make the cups fall down. The rest of the rules apply similarly as they would to regulation beer pong. Devin.Ewart (talk) 05:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Not every variant of the game is notable, especially not a recently-developed one with no evidence of anyone but the inventor having documented it. —C.Fred (talk) 12:34, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 October 2013
the 15th citation is no longer a functioning link. the following: http://archive.is/V0Ig appears to be an archived copy of the article

2602:30A:C085:5150:1142:54D1:420E:3C2F (talk) 00:12, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done. Good catch, thank you. --Stfg (talk) 13:44, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Change Request
I would like to request that you change Utah State University to BYU under non alcoholic beer pong. USU has people who are actually aloud to drink, BYU si a religious school that does not allow drinking amongst their members (they will get kicked out of school). That is my only request. Thank you :)

67.177.34.34 (talk) 01:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The source clearly says Utah State University. —C.Fred (talk) 01:58, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2013
Dear wikipedia,

I recently spectated a tournament of beerpong. This event happened on december the 7th. The tournament was the NK (dutch championship) of beerpong 2013 The victors were Raoul van Ansenwoude and Sjouke de Zwart Id like this to be added in the information as beerpong is a huge succes in Holland.

Thank you very much

Chantal

145.48.214.78 (talk) 11:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Do you have a reliable source that saw fit to report on this event? Pinkbeast (talk) 11:51, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Mechanics minituae
It seems to me that we might usefully remove a lot of the fluff about the sixty-eight variants of beer pong from the article; we're at risk of documenting any random idea a dozen drunk people have. What do other editors think? Pinkbeast (talk) 13:42, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Given the lack of howls of protest, I'm putting this one on the list for a fairly radical trim. Pinkbeast (talk) 10:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)