Talk:Beethoven's 2nd (film)

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I've re-added the box office figure that was removed. This is backed up by the IMDB link and provides the reader with a better understanding of the reception of the movie other than just saying the movie had a mixed response. 92.10.153.130 (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Moe or Mo?
One user claims that the proper spelling of the name of one of Beethoven's puppies is the latter. However, the only source it provides is the subtitles of the DVD/Blu-ray/etc., but subtitles, official or not, are inadmissible here for good reason: They are unreliable. There are errors from time to time, such as the common following:
 * Misspellings of names of people, places, and/or things
 * Misinterpreting dialogue

DawgDeputy (talk) 19:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

^^. Your solely on your own interpretation of how “Mo” is spelled is, because the official movie subtitles put in by the creators of the movie say it’s spelled Mo, not Moe. Rcomm1 (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I did not invent it. It was already there to begin with (for seven years, courtesy of one user Bluquail, right here, and nobody did anything about it, because there was no irrefutable proof as to the proper spelling, and there still is no proof).
 * And do you have any proof the subtitles were "put in by the creators" other than your say-so? DawgDeputy (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

You seem to have misunderstood what I said. It is absolutely your own interpretation of how it’s spelled, regardless of whoever created the article and was the original one to misspell the name. The proof that the official subtitles were put in by the creators of the movie lies in the fact that there’s nobody else that could’ve done it if those subtitles exist in the official version of the movie (Blu-Ray or DVD) and hence had to be put in by the creators of the movie, there isn’t exactly anyone else who has access to that stuff. Being a bit more civil here but what in the hell makes you think it’s spelled with an extra e at the end? Like where would the extra e come from? “Mo” or “Moe” works both ways in the way that they pronounce it in the movie, so why would you want it to be “Moe” if it’s spelled “Mo” in the bluray/dvd version of the movie’s official subtitles? Just wondering. Rcomm1 (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Bold face and personal attacks removed. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:13, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, no, subtitles on DVDs generally contain a lot of errors, because that is not something that companies tend to spend money on (it is an eternal source of amusement to read subtitles of foreign films where you speak the movie's language and the subtitle language, for instance.) There is no process of proof-reading or quality control there, and it's not the creators themselves who write the subtitles, so it is most definitely not a reliable source. That being said, I do wonder two things: a) are there any reliable sources for either of the spellings, and b) why is this an issue at all? These are two perfectly valid variant spellings of a name where the spelling doesn't change the pronunciation - who cares how it's spelt, especially if it hasn't been written down anywhere by any official sources (which, again, subtitles are not)?  It seems like a very minor thing to edit war over, in my opinion. --bonadea contributions talk 20:40, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Even if Rcomm1 is right, I removed the names of the puppies, since the names are not very important to the film, anyway, compared to Beethoven's and Missy's. DawgDeputy (talk) 21:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * After searching for a decent print reference, I agree: there don't appear to be reviews or other coverage giving the puppy names. However, the officially authorized soft toys do use the spelling "Mo": eBay listing, zoom in on tag visible in 3rd image. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This new information does not erase the damage Rcomm1 caused, nor does it undo, or reduce, his block. DawgDeputy (talk) 03:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Speculation edits...
For the past few years, numerous edits have been made stating that Regina and Floyd had been arrested at the end, but they were last seen bobbing in a raging river and never mentioned being arrested at all. These speculative edits must desist. DawgDeputy (talk) 04:53, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Problematic edits...
...have become rampant this past week. One user has made edits that were biased and completely immaterial to the film's plot. This must be put to a halt, lest another edit war occur. DawgDeputy (talk) 18:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, according to the edit history, the summary of this article has been without the name of the business associate who owned the lakefront house for over 11 years, and no one did anything, because they knew it was unnecessary. DawgDeputy (talk) 19:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Based on your remarks at WP:ANI, it seems that you are concerned about a fictional person being referred by their surname but not their first name. According to the Manual of Style, "After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only". The shortcut is MOS:SURNAME. So, it seems that the other editor was correct on that point. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  20:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not quite. According to that same article, at the end of "Subsequent Use", it says: "For fictional entities, use common names." Since Taylor Devereaux was more commonly referred to as Taylor in the film, it only makes sense. DawgDeputy (talk) 23:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that is what consensus will end up being. But there are definitely two sides to the story. What is certain is that this is not a matter that belongs at WP:ANI before talk page discussion, which is one of the last resorts in dispute resolution, not the first step. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  00:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Protection needed
Problematic edits by IP addresses have become rampant on this page. Requesting long-term (semi-)protection of this page to curtail this issue. DawgDeputy (talk) 12:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)