Talk:Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500–1800

Examples of how different things are
From Ibrahim p. 482:
 * "As the author notes, it is hard to imagine Sinatra singing about “his love for a downy-cheeked boy of fourteen” (77) in more contemporary societies where such desires are condemned and criminalised."

This may be a good example to cite in an article discussing pederasty in the Middle East WhisperToMe (talk) 05:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

The Bullough source states: "Women, because they cannot penetrate, were not considered capable of being homosexual." - May be good to discuss in the Samar Habib book (if I can make an article about it) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:01, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

More from El-Rouayeb

 * El-Rouayeb, Khaled. "Dror Ze'evi on the Sexual Discourses of the Early Modern Ottoman World" (Archive) (Book review). MRZine. 14 February 2008.

This isn't about this book, but it may be useful as a book to write another Wikipedia article on. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Notes on Eich
Eich p. 227:
 * In regards to Thomas Mann: "At the same time it would be at least premature to describe the person as well as the writings of Thomas Mann as out wardly "homosexual". In other words it seems far from clear "what we might be inclined to call homosexual behaviour or sentiments" today, to use el-Rouayheb's expression once again."
 * Same page: "For example, a study could not avoid being suspected of grouping together what does not neces sarily belong together if it were to write the history of 20th-century "homosexuality" by using, among other things, the lyrics of Skin (from the rock band Skunk Anansie) or Melissa Etheridge, which form a striking parallel to many of the homoerotic Arabic poems studied by el-Rouayheb, because they are mostly void of any explicit lesbian content; the writings of Thomas Mann; and newspaper clippings covering the public debate about the introduction of so-called "homo-marriage" under Germany's former red-green government."

This is why I use all book reviews, so Wikipedians have a clear picture of any possible pitfalls. And please don't just take my word for it - Please find ways to obtain these book reviews so you can read them and plan how to use these sources WhisperToMe (talk) 16:21, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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