Talk:Belgravia (TV series)

Cast list
It might be an idea to put the cast in family order. ie The Trenchards. The Brokenhursts/ Ballsis', Templemores, then others, then each families servants. Something like this.REVUpminster (talk) 06:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

The Trenchards.
 * Philip Glenister as James Trenchard
 * Tamsin Greig as Anne Trenchard
 * Emily Reid as Sophia Trenchard, daughter of James and Anne
 * Richard Goulding as Oliver Trenchard, son of James and Anne
 * Alice Eve as Susan Trenchard, childless wife of Oliver

The Brokenhursts/Ballsis
 * Harriet Walter as Caroline, Countess of Brockenhurst
 * Tom Wilkinson as Peregrine, Earl of Brockenhurst
 * Jeremy Neumark Jones as Lord Edmund Bellasis, son of the Earl and Countess Brokenhurst
 * James Fleet as Reverend Stephen Bellasis, younger brother of the Earl of Brokenhurst and presumptive heir of his brother following the death of Edmund Bellasis.
 * Diana Hardcastle as Grace Bellasis
 * Adam James as John Bellasis, son of Stephen Bellasis and presumptive heir of his father

The Trenchards servants
 * Paul Ritter (actor) as Turton, butler
 * Saskia Reeves as Ellis, lady's maid to Anne Trenchard
 * Bronagh Gallagher as Speer, lady's maid to Susan Trenchard

The Brokenhursts servants
 * Martin Bishop as Jenkins, butler to the Brokenhursts
 * Christine Lohr as Dawson, lady's maid to Caroline, Countess of Brockenhurst

The Templemores and others
 * Tara Fitzgerald as Lady Templemore
 * Ella Purnell as Lady Maria Grey, daughter of Lady Templemore
 * Jack Bardoe as Charles Pope
 * James Taylor Thomas as Captain Cooper

1 I agree that the cast list should be put into families. 2 Because a women's name was dependant on her husband's, it may be better to put the husband first, even if the wife appears in the action before her husband (The Earl and Countess of Brockenhurst). 3 At the pary in Episode 2, Lady Templemore and her daughtet were introduced as The Countess of Templemore and Lady Maria Grey. She was of the same raank as the Countess of Templemore: perhps she should be described as Countess of Templemore. 4 Edmund Bellassis, who died at Waterloo, as the eldest son and heir apparent of the Earl of Brockenhurst, should be given his courtesy title of Viscount Bellasis, the title to be taken by Charles Pope as shown in the dinner at the end of Episode 6. 5  I agree that Stephen Bellassi need not be ascribed the Honouable even though he was so entitled. 6 Somewhere Stephen was addressed as Reverend. 7 The before a title is unnecessary. 8 I might add that Julian Fellowes was meticulous in ensuring that each character's rank was correctly described, both here and in Downton Abbey.

I would list the cast mebers in dispute as follows:


 * James Fleet as Reverend Stephen Bellasis, younger brother of Earl of Brockenhurst and heir presumptive to his elder brother


 * Tara Fitzgerald as Corinne Grey, Countess of Templemore


 * Ella Purnell as Lady Maria Grey, daughter of Countess of Templemore


 * Jeremy Neumark Jones as Edmund, Viscount Bellasis, only son of Earl and Countess of Brockenhurst

Trahelliven (talk) 22:37, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

On reflection, I would omit Reverend from the description of Stehen Bellasis; I think the only use of that title was by James Trenchard at the party in Episode 2. John Bellasis should be described as follows:


 * Adam James as John Bellasis, son of Stephen Bellasis and heir to his father

Trahelliven (talk) 02:47, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

this is the Radio Times list from Julian Fellowes https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-04-12/belgravia-itv-cast/ Cannot deviate too much from a published source. REVUpminster (talk) 17:11, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I accept that the Radio Times is a reliable source on who plays the characters in the drama: it is not a reliable source on the peerage. The description of Edmund as Lord Edmund Bellasis in the Radio Times is simply incorrect. That description is limited to the younger sons of either a duke or a marquess. The eldest son of an earl bears by couresy a secondary title which in the present case is Viscount Bellasis or more informally Lord Bellasis. Charles Pope, on being recognized as the only son of his deceased father Edmund, becomes entitled in turn to call himself Viscount Bellasis. The rules are neatly summarised in this Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtesy_titles_in_the_United_Kingdom. A recognised authority on peerage titles is the following Debretts Correct Forms: Social and Professional Etiquette, Precedent and Protocol: ISBN 0 7088 1500 6: Reprinted 1984: pp.44-45. In Episode 1 at the very beginning, James Trenchard refers to Edmund as Lord Bellasis. In episod 6, Charles Pope is referred to as Viscount Bellassis. If you want to follow the Radio Times, you will probably need to amend more of the descriptions of the characters and at the very least add inline references. I prefer my suggestions. Trahelliven (talk) 00:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * It does not matter if you think it is incorrect as we have to use a published source. If Julian Fellowes said 2+2=5 then that's it. Imagine if we started questing warp drive in science fiction tv articles what fun we would have.REVUpminster (talk) 06:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

We have to use a RELIABLE Source. Because what the Radio Times article contains is both wrong as to certain details in the drama and wrong as to the rules of the peerage, it follows that the article is not reliable. Trahelliven (talk) 06:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * It does look better especially moving the characters at the ball. Have you left off the Brokenhurst servants. Also citing the radio times and deviating from it will sound like original research to the pedants on here.REVUpminster (talk) 06:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

1. I missed *Martin Bishop as Jenkins, butler to the Brokenhursts and Christine Lohr as Dawson, lady's maid to Caroline, Countess of Brockenhurst. They were neither in the Article itself when I used it nor in the Radio Times? What other reference is there that these two were in Belgravia?

2. Can you use the cast list at the end of an episode as an appropriate refernce or is that just Original Research?

3. To describe Edmund as Lord Edmund Bellasis is just wrong. Trahelliven (talk) 10:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine, Earl of Brockenhurst
Why does he link to General Sir Peregrine Maitland, GCB? Alekksandr (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Was wondering the same thing. Can only assume someone got a bit carried away by the Waterloo aspect of the story and the fact both men have the same first name. 78.147.207.196 (talk) 19:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Date Format
Isn't it proper to write the dat as April 27 instead of 27 April? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MightyKid (talk • contribs) 06:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi MightyKid - Firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages with 4 tildes ( ~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp. As for your question - most definitely not - as it clearly states at the top of the edit page "Use dmy dates", i.e. day/month/year. As stated at MOS:DATETIES
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