Talk:Belhaven University/Archive 1

Likely violation of Wikipedia copyright policy
Most, if not all of the content on this page appears to be lifted directly from other sources, including:


 * http://www.belhaven.edu/
 * http://www.blackmississippi.com/eduarticle.html?page=edunews&id=10&sId=14&pId=0&fId=-1

Valrith 00:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have full copyright privilidges to the content in question. I am the Assistant Director of Integrated Marketing at Belhaven College.  Please email me with any other questions: jbrower@belhaven.edu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.149.99.2 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 25 August 2006
 * Confirmed with e-mail to webmaster@belhaven.edu. Evil saltine 21:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Surely this brings up NPOV problems? Wikipedia should not be publishing a private institution's own propaganda as though it were an objective report. This is particularly salient when the "private institution" involved is a Mississippi educational institution. Such institutions have been steeped in in violence, dishonesty, and the legitimization of racism back to the first non-native settlements three hundred years ago. David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 18:15, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Satellite campus info and Hill alumni
To broaden the scope beyond Mississippi, I have added the info about the satellite campuses including the new online programs.

I have re-added the Paul Jennings Hill alumni info as well as a link/source to a newspaper article that mentions this fact. http://www.fadp.org/news/PensacolaNewsJournal-20030824.htm

As fortunate or unfortunate as one may view his attending this school, the fact is he is a notable alumni with even his own Wikipedia entry.

I am simply contributing/expanding this entry by adding factual information without bias. Tournstone 19:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the suggested merger of the article Don Lee (college football) into this article. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section of this page.  No further edits should be made to this section.

The result was   no merge. - ✰ ALLST☆R ✰ echo 15:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Athletics
(heading is such that the links will bring this to the right place)

I think Scott Highsmith, Don Lee (college football), and Norman Joseph should be merged here into the Athletics section, in a discussion about their college football team and history. The articles don't have much cited content, and would be more appropriate in a section here. Stifle (talk) 18:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * oppose merger A merger would create a clumsy athletic section heavily weighted for football and could promote the removal of key information, especially for Joseph who has coached at multiple schools. Would the Joseph article then need to be coordinated with the other schools?  Merger of articles would also lose the coach infobox that summarizes the data effectively.  It also would be completely opposed to standard football coach articles of other colleges and universities.  Articles were once discussed for deletion at Articles for deletion/Don Lee (college football) and was closed as no consensus.  Both Stifle and myself participated in that discussion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The consensus was leaning towards deletion and had two WP:PERNOM votes. And "no consensus" means exactly that — it's not a permanent bar on anything ever happening to the article. Stifle (talk) 18:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose For the reason that Joseph has coached at multiple schools and is arguably more notable as the coach of Mississippi College. Paul makes good points too regarding the weight of the athletics section of the Belhaven article to a specific college football coach.  In regards to the article in general, a specific coach of a team does not need to be detailed in a university article, unless it's just a mention of him. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a thought if no consensus could be reached about merging to the oft-discussed combined coach's page, can we expect a consensus to be reached for merging to the school article?--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Why on earth would one relate to the other? It's a different issue entirely.  It quite possible that this issue won't be as contentious - in fact, proposing a different alternative is a great way to achieve said consensus, in my opinion.--otherlleft (talk) 19:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How about a list of coaches? Stifle (talk) 21:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Lists are nice, but we'd lose a lot of information that way. The articles contain more information than a list ever should.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose, for the same reasons above. Almost silly in a way. Wizardman  20:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It's a good thought, Stifle, but I'd go for separate articles at the moment. I'm fairly confident Paul or some other editor will be able to build upon the stubs provided. JKBrooks85 (talk) 03:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Full-protected 3 days
I have full-protected this article for 3 days due to an edit war over the (non)inclusion of Paul Jennings Hill in the list of notable people. Users are now required to discuss any changes here. Also, please note that any further edit warring following this protection may lead to one's editing privileges to be restricted. Regards, –MuZemike 03:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Not Including Paul Jennings Hill as a Notable Alumni
The user Joyhill keeps on adding this person back to the Notable Alumni list, however:

1. There is no proof in terms of supporting articles that actually show that he actually attended Belhaven and this has been contested and even denied on and around campus. 2. The user's name is listed as JoyHill, and is likely Joy Hill, the daughter of Paul Jennings Hill and therefore is likely completely biased when it comes to adding or editing information about her father. Likewise, examining the changes she's made to this article and the main article on Paul Jennings Hill, she seems to be more interested in creating publicity for her father rather than adding meaningful content. 3. Few other university pages list criminals who may or may not have attended their schools in their notable alumni section. This section almost exclusively is reserved for alumni with significant achievements, not significant crimes. Murder almost certainly is not an achievement.

Thus, I move for Paul Jennings Hill NOT to be included in the notable alumni section. Your questions and comments are welcome. Nekrus (talk) 22:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

There is plenty of proof including multiple newspaper articles which are easy to locate even here within Wikipedia that Paul Jennings Hill attended Belhaven and graduated (went on to RTS). Here is one such article: http://www.fadp.org/news/PensacolaNewsJournal-20030824.htm It is part of historical record that he and his wife met while at Belhaven. Local coverage in Jackson has also documented it and it would also be easy enough to check with the registrar. I will be happy to pull these resources if needed. Wikipedia is NOT a marketing document for exploitation by Belhaven. This is historical record which reflects the truth that we all contribute to. Paul Jennings Hill is part of history and it is notable that he attended Belhaven, distasteful or not. I am alumni and as much as I do not like having my alma-mater associated with this person, I feel the truth is far more important than censorship. Paul Jennings Hill is part of history and part of Belhaven's history and therefore must be included in Wikipedia's entry.

Tournstone (talk) 21:33, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

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Rewrite
I'm gonna be bold and daring and rewrite this one. We know that a COI editor claimed to have rights to confer priveleges for copyrighted material. That raises all sorts of problems. By the time I get done, there won't be any left. My first priority is to describe what the school is, rather than all the history. Read it, digest it, and if you really don't like it, revert it. Rhadow (talk) 16:50, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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