Talk:Bella Hadid/Archive 1

Nationality
Per WP:BLP, sources must be cited when adding information to biographies. Concerning Hadid's citizenship - we know for certain that she is an American citizen. No references have been cited showing that Hadid has indeed claimed Dutch citizenship. Furthermore, Palestine is a geographic area, not a nationality. There are no "citizens of Palestine." Until sources can be provided confirming that she is indeed holds Dutch or Palestinian citizenship, I am reverting the changes to the opening sentence. 47.55.183.206 (talk) 00:05, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Note this exact discussion also happened over at Talk:Gigi Hadid. 47.55.183.206 (talk)


 * 'Palestinian' is a nationality. Candy bling1 (talk) 16:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2018
Add this factual sentence under "Early life": '''Her father is Muslim. ''' 109.66.130.32 (talk) 01:01, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌ Mohamed Hadid has an article where personal details about him belong. This article is not about him. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Arabic name
I've removed this countless times but it somehow keeps reappearing so I guess a discussion is necessary. Why are editors insistent on including Hadid's name written in the Arabic language? I understand if Hadid was a born-and-raised Palestinian model, but she is not. She is American. Hadid's only connection to the Arab world is being half-Palestinian. Unless she has done work and advocacy for the Arab community or generated her notability due to her Arab ancestry (neither of which is true), I don't understand why this would be here. To me, it comes across as just nationalism. Kim Kardashian's name is not written in Armenian for the same reasons. Gigi Hadid's name also features no Arabic, so I don't know why Bella's would. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 22:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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Pseudo science - Cronic Lyme Disease
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:PSCI&redirect=no

The page includes several references to a disputed health issue, including saying she was “diagnosed” with it. It is clearly stated in the Wikipedia article about the health issue that it’s disputed. In this article however, it is explained as a “disease” that she is “diagnosed” with. This does not go along with a NPOW. Kyrkovaktmästarn&#39; (talk) 07:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Height, etc
I think vital stats should remain out unless an aspect of notability. If there are related discussions on the topic, I can't recall them offhand. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 21:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I've asked at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Plastic Surgery
Bella Hadid has had plastic surgery on her nose, in spite of the fact that she has constantly refused to come out with the truth on this subject or to further comment. (This can be seen in her portrayal of herself on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills when her mother, Yolanda Hadid, was a cast member.) VivaLaVives (talk) 16:03, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Fyre
Should fyre festival be mentioned? It is in Emily Ratajkowski and even has a whole section in Kendall Jenner. Awbfiend (talk) 19:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The two articles you mention seem to give it undue weight, with too much tangential detail. What sources are you proposing? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 20:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Philanthropy section
I've removed:

In 2016, Hadid donated a pair of denim jeans to Johny Dar's Jeans for Refugees project, which were to be hand painted and auctioned off in order to raise money for the International Rescue Committee. In 2018, she joined to make 500 meals scheduled to be delivered to the Bowery Mission shelter on behalf of System of Service, Hashtag Lunch Bag, and Nike for Thanksgiving in New York.

In April 2020, Hadid announced she made a donation to the Food Bank and Feeding America to support COVID-19 relief. In May 2020, she announced she will be supporting and donating to charities such as Preemptive Love, UNRWA USA and Middle East Children's Alliance (Meca) to help support refugees, displaced families, families in the front lines of conflict and children across Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and other affected regions.

Hadid has shown support for Black Lives Matter movement. When Black Lives Matter protests resurged in May 2020, Hadid took to Instagram to share that she would be donating to the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and also shared her support of those protesting, donating, and demanding justice for the too many black lives taken by the hands of police in America. In June, Hadid auctioned off her Miu Miu boots as part of the inaugural Way We Wore auction, a collaboration with the pre-loved fashion site, Hardly Ever Worn It organised by British Vogue that benefit NHS Charities Together and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). In July, Hadid auctioned limited edition fashion item that she has created at home during lockdown and 100% of proceeds will go towards supporting the black community, with initiatives such as Your Rights Camp, Feeding America and more. Hadid donated some of her clothes to a pop-up event that went to benefit Black Lives Matter causes, including Abundant Beginnings Collective and Brooklyn Supported Agriculture which was called "Sidewalk Sale for Social Justice" in Brooklyn in September.

In August 2020, following the explosion in Beirut, Lebanon, she announced that she will be donating to 13 local and international charities.

There may be something encyclopedic in all this, but the high-quality, independent sources are required. --Hipal (talk) 18:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Can you provide reliable third party sources that indicate the noteworthiness of In 2016, Hadid donated a pair of denim jeans..." please? Some1 (talk) 18:34, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I've added more sources to the section. You better help to provide more sources rather than keep reverting it. (Bistymings (talk) 09:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC))
 * I've added another reliable source thanks (Bistymings (talk) 09:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC))
 * Please revert and get consensus first. Here's the new proposal:

In 2016, Hadid donated a pair of denim jeans to Johny Dar's Jeans for Refugees project, which were to be hand painted and auctioned off in order to raise money for the International Rescue Committee. In 2018, she joined to make 500 meals scheduled to be delivered to the Bowery Mission shelter on behalf of System of Service, Hashtag Lunch Bag, and Nike for Thanksgiving in New York City.

In April and May 2020, Hadid announced she made a donation to the Food Bank and Feeding America to support COVID-19 relief. In May 2020, she announced she will be supporting and donating to charities such as Preemptive Love, UNRWA USA and Middle East Children's Alliance (Meca) to help support refugees, displaced families, families in the front lines of conflict and children across Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and other affected regions.

Hadid has shown support for Black Lives Matter movement. When Black Lives Matter protests resurged in May 2020, Hadid took to Instagram to share that she would be donating to the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and also shared her support of those protesting, donating, and demanding justice for the too many black lives taken by the hands of police in America. In June, Hadid auctioned off her Miu Miu boots as part of the inaugural Way We Wore auction, a collaboration with the pre-loved fashion site, Hardly Ever Worn It organised by British Vogue that benefit NHS Charities Together and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). In July, Hadid auctioned limited edition fashion item that she has created at home during lockdown and 100% of proceeds will go towards supporting the black community, with initiatives such as Your Rights Camp, Feeding America and more. Hadid donated some of her clothes to a pop-up event that went to benefit Black Lives Matter causes, including Abundant Beginnings Collective and Brooklyn Supported Agriculture which was called "Sidewalk Sale for Social Justice" in Brooklyn in September.

In August 2020, following the explosion in Beirut, Lebanon, she announced that she will be donating to 13 local and international charities.

Starting at the beginning, the new source verifies the information but is just a promotional piece, a press release slightly modified. --Hipal (talk) 17:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Could you please stop reverting what I have put? What kind of sources do you want? You want me to put her instagram account as source or what? (Bistymings (talk) 08:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC))
 * Sources that are clearly reliable and independent, while not simply regurgitating celebrity trivia or promotion. --Hipal (talk) 17:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Small charities of BELLA HADID do not qualify as Philanthropy, the section lacks argumentative base uses unreliable sources and Post-Truth
In recent months, some users who belong to FANDOMS or Bella Hadid's fan club have tried with effort to make a section dedicated to philanthropy, using as a reference and referring to minor charities whose donation consists of clothes and jeans, boots " MIU MIU ”, or supposed shipments of food in small quantities or announcements about which this public figure named Bella Hadid makes on her social networks regarding which household or charity she donates small amounts of food. This type of charity does not qualify as “Philanthropy” and Bella Hadid never donated large amounts of money to renowned institutions or foundations such as UNICEF, WFP (world food program) nor has she ever created a foundation to raise money on a large scale, like Sean Penn has done with CORE (Community Organized Relief Effort) or like Bill Gates and his (Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation), or The Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy Foundation that raises US $ 172 million a year. if Bella Hadid donated a lot more than a one million dollars, we would agree considered her as humanitarian figure and does philanthropy on the same level as Bill Gates, George Soros, Elon Musk, Oprah Winfrey, Leonardo Dicaprio, Angelina Jolie, Sean Penn, Selena Gomez, Shakira, or activist of the LGBT movement like Harvey Milk and Laverne Cox. But I repeat that Bella Hadid's small charities do not qualify as philanthropy, donating your clothes, your”MIU MIU boots”, some Jeans or “Nike shoes” or donating small amounts of food to shelters is only minor charity and does not turn it into philanthropy and many celebrities do it anonymously without advertising it on social media as Bella Hadid and no one considers it philanthropy. What I perceive with this section is an effort by users who are fans of Bella Hadid to want to clean up her public image and try to position her as a “good person” based on small charities exaggerated by her fans and by Bella Hadid and her modeling agency IMG. This is a very serious fault in Wikipedia, because it denotes a lack of objectivity, Wikipedia is not a place to clean or whitewash anyone's image, I also see that it is used as an argument to justify the supposed philanthropy section in which Bella Hadid supports the movement Black Lives Matters BLM, which is absurd and lacking in argumentative weight, supporting the BLM movement, does not make you a Humanitarian figure or is worthy of being considered philanthropy, many celebrities support that movement and it is not written about in their Wikipedia articles. Some users also used bad reference sources for this type of section: HARPERS BAZAAR, PEOPLE MAGAZINE, N LIFE STYLE, VOGUE, COSMO, they are fashion and gossip magazines, they are not reliable sources like THE ECONOMIST O TIME, or THE NEW YORK TIMES, CNN that are world and current politic economic actuality magazines and are suitable sources for such things as philanthropy. For these reasons, in addition to the fact that in the "philanthropy" section there is a Wikipedia ad that says that the sources used by users or fans are not reliable sources and that it looks more like an ADVERTISEMENT without trustworthy links and lacking a neutral point of view, that is why the so-called “Philanthropy” section has been removed. I invite fanatic users to write about topics with real argumentative weight and not post-truth like the supposed philanthropy of Bella Hadid, that´s the reason a cause this article still C-CLASS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tammaravon89 (talk • contribs) 05:28, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2021
Change “American model” to “Palestinian-American model” 202.187.155.211 (talk) 07:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ per MOS:ETHNICITY. Shellwood (talk) 09:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2021
Her Support for Sheikh Jarrah in 2021 Israelistate (talk) 09:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:48, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Lead section
I've been trying to expand Hadid's lead section to include more information about her career (like adding the amount of appearances she's had on international Vogue magazine covers, and her Vogue September cover record). I've even added citations to support the information. But every time I try to add it in, it always gets deleted.

If there is a noticeable stub in the article saying that the lead section is too short and suggesting that it be expanded (which this article has), then why are expanding efforts getting deleted? Shouldn't there be more information added to that section?

Suggestions are more than welcome.

Sweethavxn (talk) 18:13, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for starting a discussion on this.
 * Per WP:LEDE, The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents. Because the article is in such very bad shape overall, it isn't clear what belongs in the lede. Tallies of the number of times she's been on the cover of magazines don't appear very important, but better references could indicate otherwise. Looking over the first dozen references, I'm not seeing much to work from and a great deal that should be pruned back. Is there even one high-quality reference about her with depth?
 * Until the article is far better, it's going to be difficult to figure what might belong in the lede. --Hipal (talk) 00:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2021
Can you add protection template?

Best regards :) 201.239.205.195 (talk) 01:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made
 * what sources? I only want to add pp as this article is semiprotected. All protected pages need protection template. Do you know it?. This:

This page already semi protected we don't understand what changes you want to be made please explain in nutshell

the template is normally added to the top of the article when its protected. But nevermind bye bye. Anyway this isn't protected indefinitely. For next time, try to be a little smarter

Template protection
Can anyone add template to the top of the article, please?

Greetings. 201.239.205.195 (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Added the template. SunDawn  talk  07:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2022
In the Relationships section, please change the following:""

to the following:""

Reason: Avoids the use of "Currently" which may become outdated. See MOS:DATED. I believe this is an uncontroversial change because it mostly just reorganizes the already-existing words, phrases, and references already in the section. 69.174.144.79 (talk) 19:25, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Appears to have already been done by another editor, but not based on this edit request. Seems ok but feel free to make another edit request if you feel your wikitext would work better. Thanks and happy editing! --Ferien (talk) 15:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2022
Change "the Weeknd" to "The Weeknd" in the 1st paragraph of Personal Life -> Relationships. Lipemsc (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please see MOS:NICKNAMETHE. Padgriffin  Griffin's Nest 09:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2022 (2)
Bella Hadid is a supermodel Stetzner.29 (talk) 22:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC) Bella Hadid is a supermodel
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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The phrase ‘diagnosed with chronic lime disease’ and the link to the Wikipedia page describing this as health fraud are inconsistent
See above 2A00:801:764:4548:ACEE:2EE8:C1F2:70C (talk) 05:37, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

My name is bella hadid
Bella hadid 78.131.17.40 (talk) 14:24, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Middle name
Hello! I think if i do remember well, talking about Bella Hadid real middle name isnt Khairiah but Khair. She told herself on her instagram's biography and i search a little bit, Daily Sabbah is a turkish pro government magazine and i think isnt a good source... i found this website explain that yes she name after her grandmother name who was called Khairiah but Bella Hadid middle name is Khair like Gigi Hadid's daughter is Khai... here, other website like Grazia, Glamour or Elle... I think we should change the name because it isnt true. What y'all think?

(i previously posted on teahouse) Datsofelija (talk) 12:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Agreed - although I haven't edited the article, Daily Sabah is generally considered as an unreliable source, so unless other opinions from editors come up, you should change the information. NotAGenious (talk) 12:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @NotAGenious Hello, can i change? Its been like 10 days without any answer since yours... Thanks Datsofelija (talk) 08:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Let me know if you need any help. NotAGenious (talk) 08:46, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree.Bella's middle name is Khair Maria1718182 (talk) 16:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Please edit or remove the "Controversies" section of the article.
I'm not sure who wrote it or approved this section - why is the article locked for editing when people are also able to publish sections that are poorly written and poorly edited? For example: "Both Hadid sisters along with Dua Lipa were featured in the controversial cover of the New York Times magazine as supporters of Hamas" - this sentence insinuates that Hadid is a supporter of Hamas and does not clarify that it was not the cover of the NYT, it was an advertisement in the magazine. There is also no evidence given to the claim that she has been accused of Antisemitism. 72.39.94.248 (talk) 17:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Removed per WP:BLP, WP:CRITS, WP:NOTSCANDAL. There may be some salvageable content or references in it. --Hipal (talk) 19:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with the first comment regarding the quality, and would suggest a thematic split:
 * -a section regarding antisemitism and Israel; most references that were removed can be salvaged, and I would suggest rephrasing some statements like the one criticised to reflect a NPOV; additionally, some of the current issues should be added. The structure should probably be chronological, and some of the more vague comments should be removed or sourced. The accusations of antisemitism should probably be provided with one or two additional sources.
 * -another section on the general political issues, either in a separate section or included somewhere else.
 * Is there something I missed? FortunateSons (talk) 18:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hadid has been accused of anti-semitism and the sources explain it very well if you have time to actually read them.
 * "Poorly written" it wad featured in the New York Times magazine one of the most famous magazines in the world.Also Gigi Hadid has been known to spread misinformation which she later apologized for .Their father is an anti-semitic person comparing Nazis with Israel and there are sources that explain it.So before you make your statement go and read those sources.
 * Also it wasn't a cover.It was a whole article about them Maria1718182 (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I mostly agree, but the edits are all covered by the rules on the Israel-Hamas Conflict and therefore need to be made by an extended-confirmed user. FortunateSons (talk) 18:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Any changes along the previous lines is most likely going to be immediately removed per WP:BLP. I suggest working with something resembling an edit request beforehand, clearly identifying the references and the proposed changes to the article. --Hipal (talk) 20:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to sign of on content, and then work on phrasing with me? I am happy to do both at the same time, but this was a bit of an issue last time. FortunateSons (talk) 20:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems a waste of time at very best. --Hipal (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Hadid's middle name
Hadid's middle name is Khair not Khairiah. The source which is used is a pro goverment turkish source (as described here on wikipedia) and even on Bella's instagram it's written that her middle name is Khair. https://www.instagram.com/bellahadid/?hl=en Many sources have said that her middle name is Khair, so unless someone has heard the interview and has a video about it because it may have been written incorrectly. This misinformation should change and I don't know why it was allowed in the 1st place. If enough people aprove of this I'll change it myself. Maria1718182 (talk) 20:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It would help to have a list of clearly reliable sources that we could work from to resolve this. --Hipal (talk) 18:57, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I found a source from Vogue. https://www.vogue.com/article/bella-hadid-cover-april-2022. In this article Bella opened about her mental health. I thought to use her instagram but I dont' think that's reliable enough.I changed it on the wiki page, and feel free to review my edit. If you don't agree then change it to how it was. Thank you. Maria1718182 (talk) 17:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That Vogue ref looks fairly good. We have conflicting references then. Did you just search for something that verifies Khair, or did you look deeper at all? We should look deeper. --Hipal (talk) 18:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I just searched Hadid's middle name online.Her instagram confirms my claim.Since we haven't heard the interview online then we can't say anything about the name "Khairiah".Most sources claim that Bella's middle name is Khair
 * https://en.vogue.me/fashion/5-facts-bella-hadid/
 * https://www.vogue.com.au/fashion/news/gigi-hadid-reveals-the-name-of-her-daughter-with-zayn-malik/news-story/0b668a610a54f6a6af45d6c1d6905abf Maria1718182 (talk) 16:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Digging deeper, I agree with the changes, especially given Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 321, which was pointed out in the previous discussion that I overlooked.
 * Added with comment by, originally added as a ref by
 * I don't know why Datsofelija didn't make the change again after the previous discussion. --Hipal (talk) 18:42, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2024
Change American model to Dutch and Palestinian-born American model 2A02:1811:3533:8D00:B964:FE08:53CB:997C (talk) 16:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No reason given for changes. Please check relevant policies and guidelines, and indicate supporting references. --Hipal (talk) 19:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)