Talk:Belle Starr

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Nearly a B.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 07:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Mistreatment or molesting?
As there are no citations for "some sources" here, and there is a reference to her beating her son, Ed for mistreating her horse, I've substituted this since it has a reference. Otherwise if there are citations for the original, please include them. Julia Rossi 05:09, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

False information?
Hi all. I am reading That's not in my American History Book by Thomas Ayres. He a has a segment in that book on Belle Starr that describes her as a mentally deranged woman, who served years on the streets of Dallas as a prostitute. This article seems to fit the bill of the "cowboy legends" that are interesting but not true. I would generally trust a published book more than Wikipedia, but still who knows? I might suggest cleaning up this article from making her seem less like a beautiful heroine, but I guess it is more upo to you guys to decide. If you are interested in the book, the ISBN # is 1-58979-107-X Thanks, 69.81.178.253 18:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ronald W. Lackman, author of Women of the Western Frontier in Fact, Fiction and Film (1997) seems to consider the Glenn Shirley book listed in the article as the most authoritative. The article needs more references from that, and less from legend. Also, while Starr did sleep around, she made her money from horse thieving and cattle rustling her neighbors. --Yamara ✉  05:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I would like to see the unsubstantiated and slanderous references removed from this article. 1. No member of the Shirleys rode with the Quantrill raiders. There are several lists of Quantrills men. The James brothers, the Youngers and James Reed are on those lists. James Reed was 17 when he rode with Quantrill.2. John Allison (not Alexander) Shirley rode with a group of Carthage, Missouri men who wanted to join Gen. Jo Shelby in his raids againt the Union in Missouri. The young John A. Shirley was called Captain Shirley by the local confederate sympathizers. These groups were called partisans by some and bushwackers by Union sympathizers.3. It is alleged in this article that Belle committed a number of crimes and yet there is no documentation for these crimes other than the horse stealing charge on which she and her husband Jim July were convicted.In the US we are are innocent until proven guilty. 4. Rosie Lee Reed was the daughter of Belle and Jim Reed. She was not Cole Youngers daughter, See Cole Youngers and Jesse James Memoirs. Belle Shirleys behavior was often "scandalous" to people of those times, however, then as now, gossips exagerrated and often manufactured scandal in an attempt to humiliate a woman who was flamboyant, opinionated, and often arrogant.5. There is no proof that Belle Starr slept around.In fact she didnt even know Blue Duck but was merely asked by his defense attorney to pose with him in a photo. See Glen Shirleys Book Belle Starr and Her Times5. There was a great deal of circumstantial evidence that Edgar Watson killed Belle Starr. There is no evidence other than hearsay that Belles son was involved in her murder. 6. I would like to see Belle Starr placed in the historical context of her times using links to other wiki articles about "States Rights", the "Missouri Compromise" , the border wars and the Civil War in Missouri. While I am a Shirley cousin, I am of course appalled that Belles family chose the Confederate cause. Her grandfather ,Christian Shirley,(See the Shirley Association website for her genealogy) belonged to a branch of Reformed Lutherans who did not believe in slavery.Vintagetes (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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