Talk:Bellini (cocktail)

actual history
you know this and shit

This drink is widely believed to have been created between 1934 - 1948 at Harry's New York Bar in Paris, France, by Guiseppe Cipriana. There is no early literature or hard evidence supporting this claim. However, there is also nothing definitive stating the drink was not invented by this person at this location.

This drink is very recent, it may not even be considered a classic, here is an early printing:

Blithe spirits: a toast to the cocktail by Jill Spalding in 1988

"BELLINI Invented at Harry's Bar in Venice in 1943, this fruity champagne cocktail was inspired by the sweet flavor of Italy's soft white peaches. Blend five or six measures of peach nectar with a few ice cubes."

This same story appears over and over even today, with only minor differences. This drink appears several times between 1985 - 1987, which is a strong indicator this drink was created during this timeframe. References to Bellini prior to this are of the person and not the drink. Here is an early printing of the opera composer:

Bellini's opera Norma by Vincenzo Bellini in 1859

"BELLINI'S OPERA. NORMA"

This drink was very likely named after the opera composer. This drink may have been created in France, but early literature would suggest many locations of origin. This drink does appear in print at the same time of the introduction of peach schnapps, but there appears to be no link between the two.

This drink dates between 1985 - 1987 and contained at least as of then:

Shake these ingredients:

Peach Puree (Fresh white peaches)

Light Rum (Modern)

Top with Champagne

Serve up in a champagne flute

so seeing as all this predates everything listed on this page, I should go ahead and edit it.Themastermixologist (talk) 05:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Picture inappropriate, removed but not replaced
The picture must really go. If a proper one can't be sourced (I don't see why that should be too difficult), no picture would be better than this ghastly array of sugar-syrupy yellow 'stuff' in completely unfit glasses. Whatever the proprietors of that little east-coast home-party were thinking, what they served were not Bellinis in any meaningful sense of the word. And the glassware is appalling.

This is an example of how a picture might look:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.23.38 (talk) 07:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC) - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.23.38 (talk) 07:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violation - Fixed
This article had a lot of similarities to the That's the Spirit article. Don't know which was the original. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philvarner (talk • contribs) February 4, 2007

I think this edit indicates that Wikipedia was the one in violation. :-( It's rather unlikely that anyone could add that much information to the article in a single edit if he/she was creating it from scratch. I know that even using previews, I still make an average of 3 or more edits anytime I do major renovation to an article, and even 6 edits seems fairly common for many editors.

I went through the article, picked out the original (non-copyrighted) contributions other editors made originally and since. I combined that with a lot of new (properly sourced) information I found, and rewrote the article from scratch.

I added an unreferenced claim of "Complimentary Bellini cocktails are included with several tour packages of Venice available for online booking." This statement was made based on at least four different tour companies making this offer, as discovered in a Google search conducted on February 5, 2007. I did not directly link to the offers, because that would only serve as link spam in this situation.

I also standardized the recipe and ingredients to the IBA Official Cocktail standards, added a really good link to a site that shows step-by-step how to make the drink, and tracked down a so-so photo (a more traditional image would be better for the main photo and the one I found could be moved to the variations section).

I am still uncertain of the "correct" date the drink was created. Apparently the other sources I used are, too, because I found more than one site that states "in the 1940's". I found dates of 1938, 1943, and 1948. The 1948 date is the most common one I uncovered, but the sources that used that date also included other information from the That's the Spirit article (which could mean they got the date from that article or from the older copy at Wikipedia). If anyone has a book giving the historical date printed prior to, say, 2004, then that would probably be a more reliable source for the date. -- Willscrlt (  Talk &middot; Cntrb  ) 09:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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I'm losing track of time

 * He named the drink the Bellini because its unique pink color reminded him of the toga of a saint in a painting by 15th-century Venetian artist Giovanni Bellini.

I'm sorry, but I've been obsessing about this for years. Did anyone ever find the painting? I feel like I've discussed this several times already. Viriditas (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't know if this is good news or bad news, but I had the same question, and the source that is provided for this claim says nothing of the sort. It talks about a sunset in a Bellini painting. I have no clue who wrote that it was from a toga, or where they would have gotten such an idea because they didn't feel like sharing. 2600:1700:67A8:230:CA2:661:ADE5:6171 (talk) 23:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)