Talk:Belmont, Sutton

Re: sections on history and published history material, JANUARY 2010
Over the last few days I have made changes to the History and Published Works sections of the Belmont article on Wikipedia. More precisely, I have added new content, restructured sections and sub sections, made various refinements and improvements, and included references, footnotes and citation. I have also added external weblinks for the the local residents association (BASCRA) and a map.--Roland Sparkes (talk) 02:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Note: I have basically removed the history section that was present on this article as at summer 2009. It did not meet Wikipedia guidelines and requirements, particularly in regard to quoted sources and included references - they were none. I have replaced it with my work stated above, leaving the part I wrote in June 2009 about published histories--Roland Sparkes (talk) 03:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: history section, MAY/JUNE 2009
PLEASE NOTE: The Wikipedia article on the history of Belmont, Sutton, includes inaccuracies. Who wrote it? Where did the text come from? No sources are cited. The current articles need to removed in my view. Roland Sparkes (talk) 16:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Yesterday I edited the existing section on the history of Belmont (contributor unknown) and corrected/removed inaccuracies. --Roland Sparkes (talk) 11:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

In June 2009 I added a section about published works relating the local history of the Belmont area. --Roland Sparkes (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Possible conflict of interest and promotion [JUNE 2009]
Mr. Sparkes may be the preeminent scholar on Belmont, but there is a problem with inserting such claims into the body of the article, along with links to his web site and mention of forthcoming books. It gives the appearance of spamming. Is there a way of reintroducing relevant history by using already published sources, and without (apparently self-) promotion? Cheers, JNW (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I've deleted the most obvious such passage. JNW (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I have amended this section of text and re-entered it to comply with above. --Roland Sparkes (talk) 11:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

January 2010
I noticed this this morning that user LibStar had recebtly made sizeable and many changes to this article. Note: no talk entry by user LibStar on this discussion page about any of these bulk changes. I do not feel that all the edits made by LibStar were beneficial. --Roland Sparkes (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have made further edits myself as a remedial action to help improve this article.--Roland Sparkes (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: no talk entry by user LibStar on this discussion page
 * Nobody is obliged to explain or discuss edits in advance.
 * You might want to accept others' guidance on formatting and placement, however. It's not the convention to quote chunks of primary sources in blockquote format, but to paraphrase and cite origin to a footnote. It's also not the convention to put Further Reading sections in mid-article, whatever text it may be pertinent to.
 * And also, given the ongoing conflict of interest discussion, it would be a lot better if you recuse yourself from any decisions about the inclusion/location/amount of your own works. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 14:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * totally agreed. the excessive use of quotations from a certain new publication is not standard practice for a locality article. I am very wary of this article masquerading as an advert for a new book as per WP:ARTSPAM.LibStar (talk) 23:28, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Formely Named?
was not belmont itself formerly named california? i seem to remember this story growing up in belmont and there (was) a painting on the wall of the belmont arms (or whate\/er the pub across from the park by pelton a/brighton road is called) that seemed to corroborate this..91.104.75.204 (talk) 19:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced
This can come out of the article until we have properly identified sources. I don't recall "waving vaguely in the direction of some unspecified publications" being anywhere in the WP:RS guideline. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 16:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Different explanations and stories exist as to: (i) exactly how John Gibbons made his fortune;(ii) why the station name changed was changed; and (iii) why Belmont was chosen as an alternative. According to family legend, Gibbons was present at the California Gold Rush.


 * May I suggest the alternative text: "The reason or reasons as to why the name of the railway station was changed, and why 'Belmont' was chosen as an alternative, are unclear. Various theories and explanations have been advanced."--Roland Sparkes (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

First World War
I have been looking through old family letters, and find one where a relation in Shoreditch, following warning of a Zeppelin raid on Tuesday 30 October 1917, went down to Belmont, Sutton, with the children to stay there for a period. Her address there was unknown until she arrived. Was Belmont known more generally as a refuge from bombing in the First World War? Deipnosophista (talk) 18:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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Link which may be useful
I had just added the following link when I thought better of it and decided to post the URL here instead. Other, more expert, Wikipedians may decide on the notability and usefulness of the information on the Wordpress site. Some of it is certainly confirmed by other sources. The link is: Pub Histories: From Little Hell to California The history of the California Public House and its predecessor "Little Hell". wayland (talk) 00:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)