Talk:Belmont Stakes

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The record for attendance for the Belmont Stakes was set in 2004 when Birdstone upset Smarty Jones to deny him the Triple Crown. I don't have the exact figure, but it was 120,000+. thank you buddwd Buddwd (talk) 21:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

According to the official Belmont site, distances varied from 1 1/8 miles to 1 3/8 miles until 1926 when it was set at the now standard 1 1/2 miles. I didn't want to edit the page until someone else rechecked my figures. Thanks -- Vclift

I think that the Belmont is held three weeks after the Preakness, which is usually the second Saturday in June, but sometimes the first.

Date of running would be useful. --squadfifteen

According to Dorothy Ours' research for her book on Man o' Roar, the Belmont Stakes at one time was raced in a fishook pattern, styled after the European Classic races. The actual start of the race was on the training track (the one mile track adjacent and perpendicular to the main track). The special course curved around the training track and then joined the main track for a long straight run to the special finish line, which differed from the regular finish line. (Man o' War. Dorothy Ours, St. Martin's Press, New York, ISBN: 0-312-34099-0,. page 12) I would love to add this to the Belmont Stakes article, but I don't know how long they used this course for the running of the race or when it started and when it ended. Anyway, if someone has time to find out more, it might be an interesting addition. Thanks! -- Kraynak

Fillies
How many fillies have won the Belmont Stakes? And how many have ever run? I think that would be interesting to know. -fan 23:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Only three fillies have ever won the Belmont Stakes: Ruthless in 1867, Tanya in 1905, and Rags to Riches in 2007. (JosephASpadaro 02:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC))
 * It should be noted that between Tanya and Rags to Riches only 5 fillies tried, so this whole "Incredible, a filly winning the Belmont!" thing is a media story blown way out of proportion. 3-y-o fillies just very seldomly compete against colts because there are enough rich filly races. Malc82 09:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I found source showing the total number of filly entrants (only 23), so added a comment on the respectable win percentage when enteredJlvsclrk (talk) 18:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Random
The table should be modified to show the distance run for that specific race. Currently, if you sort by time, you'll get misleading results, you'll think the fastest horses were bred before 1925. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.238.49.65 (talk) 12:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * resolved a while backJlvsclrk (talk) 18:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Error in main page on Belmont Stakes. (copied below) Colonial Affair did not win the Triple Crown.
 * resolved a while backJlvsclrk (talk) 18:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Other records Only James G. Rowe, Sr. and George M. Odom have won the Belmont Stakes as both jockey and trainer.
 * added a while backJlvsclrk (talk) 18:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

On June 5, 1993 thoroughbred racing's all-time leading female jockey, Julie Krone, became the first woman to win a Triple Crown race when she rode to victory in the Belmont Stakes aboard Colonial Affair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.4.94 (talk) 15:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * added a while backJlvsclrk (talk) 18:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Fillies: Number of Belmont Races and Number of Kentucky Derby Races
As of this date, there have been 144 races of the Belmont Stakes and 138 Kentucky Derby races. See the official site http://www.belmontstakes.com/ for how many times the Belmont has been run and http://www.kentuckyderby.com/ for how many times the Kentucky Derby has been won. These statistics were incorrect so I fixed them. Missyagogo (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

How?
How can Big Brown be listed as 2008 winner before the race has even been run?
 * How? Because this is "the encylopedia that any moron can edit." That's how. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 22:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Records
Thereis no mention (in the narrative) ofMan o' War's apparently unbroken record (for the distance that was run in those days). Kdammers (talk) 07:53, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Man o' War's track record set in the Belmont for $1 3/8$ mile was eventually broken. He does still hold the $1 5/8$ mile record set in the Lawrence Realization https://www.nyra.com/belmont/records/

Color of Belmont winners
I added a trivia bit about the color of the winners because I thought it was a fun fact. The source did not specify who was what, but I've identified that Belmar and Native Dancer were the greys, and High Echelon was the roan. Should I add a note to this effect? A lot of people find grey horses irresistible! Jlvsclrk (talk) 18:26, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I will note that the Jockey club is clueless about modern genetics and that the "roan" was probably a gray, so I'd use the current "gray or roan" from the registry. Also, they now say "Bay or Brown" so I'd put those side by side too.  Perhaps  Like this: "Bay or Brown (X# Bay, X# Brown)" I know this is absurdly anal-retentive, but the reality is that true roan (horse) actually doesn't exist in Thoroughbreds (or Arabians).  The Jockey Club is not willing to admit this yet, but...   Montanabw (talk)  19:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks User:Montanabw, I actually thought the same when I saw that roan, not to mention the blacks. So I'll group the roan with grey, the black with dark bay/brown. Should I add a note about this on the page for anyone who checks against the source? (The grey/roan will be obvious, the change to the blacks, not so much). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlvsclrk (talk • contribs) 23:01, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Race times
Why don't the articles have the race times included in the charts?

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 * First Place Winner (Justify) ... winning time = 2:04.20.
 * Second Place Winner (Name) ... winning time = 2:05.20
 * And so forth

Isn't that statistic an important component of these races? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Section move proposal - broadcast history
I am proposing that Broadcast History be moved into either the relevant section of United States Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing on television where there is already a decent amount of content (that admittedly needs some touching up), and/or Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing (United_States). Both articles more or less echo what is already listed here. In addition the other two Triple Crown articles do not have such Broadcast History sections. JRHorse (talk) 00:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems like a good idea. As you say, the Derby and Preakness articles don’t have such sections, though once the move happens I suppose all three could have a sentence or so that links to material in another relevant article. I think the Triple Crown article probably could actually have the television article merged into it, as the article just on television seems like a content fork that no one would seek out on its own. I mean, I didn’t even know the television article existed, and I’ve been a member of WP horse racing for ages… Montanabw (talk) 02:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your help and suggestions! JRHorse (talk) 13:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

2023 Belmont Stakes
I'm new (to editing Wikipedia, not reading or using it), but shouldn't there be a page for the 2023 Belmont Stakes? There are pages for the 2023 Preakness and Kentucky Derby, and a page for the 2022 Belmont Stakes. Wikipedia warned me that an entire new page might be a bit ambitious for a noob, and I don't disagree, but the race is 17 days away (June 10, as noted in the main article.) Apologies in advance if this is covered somewhere in documentation. -Allie AllieKayBee (talk) 12:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)