Talk:Beltrán-Leyva Organization

Founding Leaders
Im a bit confused.. was the cartel started by the five brothers or four after the arrest of the one guy in 2008. The page for hector says four founding members and the one for this says five. we should correct whichever page is wrong either way. Id assume your not founding cartels while in prison and your not out on bail when murder is involved but this is mexican prison, and people with alot of money we are talking about so I may be way off. Someone who follows this stuff pls update the pages -Tracer9999 (talk) 13:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It is believed that as many other imprisoned drug lords, Alfredo is still exercising his power from behind bars. For example, the recent killing of the marine's family was simultaneous with the displaying of a banner saying that Alfredo still yelds power. It implies Alfredo ordered the revenge killing from jail and that is still one of the leaders (and founders) of the Beltran Leyva cartel. --BatteryIncluded (talk) 08:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Infighting
One mexican official thinks that La Barbie Villareal may be fighting against Hector Beltran Leyva for control of the cartel. I rather wait a few more weeks to see crossreferences or confirmation of this.

The exitinct
Seems to me if the BLO has been superceded by the South Pacific Cartel (SPC), then we may need to move this article to one named "South Pacific Cartel".

However, first wanted to get everyone's comment about this. Reason is (1) there are complications (not just technical but editorial) since there is already an article named South Pacific Cartel, which states "South Pacific Cartel is now the new Beltran-Leyva Cartel" (without a citation). Also (2) the BLO article (this article) states the BLO is "now known as South Pacific Cartel". So the questions is, which one is it? Another question (3) would be, should the 2 articles be merged instead? (4) Should we move/merge articles simply because the claim is made by a Cartel itself, or a cartel-in-formation, or someone else, that an extict cartel continues to exist but under a new name? (reminds me of a used car dealership or a furniture store that holds a closeout sale, just to open 2 weeks later elsewhere in town under a different name, or a company that declares bankruptcy and then opens elsewhere nearby under a new name). (5)Can we rely on only 1 publication as the basis for the move?

I am sure there are other reasons to be cautions with a potential article move which I am not yet including here but that may come out as we analyze the reprecussions of such a move.

I would like to here everyone's comments. Regards.

My name is Mercy11 (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC) and I approve this message.


 * Hello Mercy11 and once again thank you for tour team spirit and attention to detail. If you take a look at the South Pacific Cartel (SPC) talk page  you will see that I addressed this issue way back in Dec. 2010 and I propossed its deletion; however, no other informed editor supported my delete motion and it it was eventualy "denied". I left the article be but with accurate data & refs.  By the way, I just deleted the unreferenced note that the BLC and SPC are the same.
 * As far as I know, the SPC is/was no more than a LOCAL GANG (not a cartel) and it is/was formed/employed by Hector Beltran Leyva; (I included the supporting references to this in its discussion page.) I believe it may have been disbanded, but IF this Morelos local gang still exists, it is inactive. Now that we are 2 educated editors, my suggestion is that we merge the SPC article into the existing Beltran Leyva Cartel article and then delete the SPC article.  Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 19:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Whether deleted or merged into, seems the net effect will be the same and, as such, I support both/either. Why don't you resubmit SPC for deletion and I will support it. We could start with that. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 22:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment: Please see also HERE. Maybe we should merge these two Talk Page topics for ease of follow up. Any suggestions? Mercy11 (talk) 17:35, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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