Talk:Belz (Hasidic dynasty)

Plagiarism?
I just noted the reference which someone added to this page on July 24, and which jdfwolff deleted the same day. It seems that most of the Wikipedia entry was lifted from this article on HasidicNews.com! Exact wording was repeated in the History, Controversy, and Belz Today sections. When I first read the Wikipedia article, I wondered why the Controversy was mentioned so briefly and out of context, and now I see why: the whole section was simply lifted verbatim from this HasidicNews.com article. What do we do now?Yoninah 19:19, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Remove it, or rewrite it in a shorter form with mentioning the source. It is a copyvio. JFW | T@lk  21:47, 25 July 2005 (UTC


 * Okay, I condensed the sections and took the emphasis off the controversy (although this matter is still mentioned). Now, could anyone familiar with the current Belzer Rebbe put in a word about his personality or reputation?Yoninah 12:03, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Split the history sections?
Would it perhaps be a good idea to divide up some of the history sections and place them as additional background in each of the rebbe's biographies? In particular, discussing Aharon's wartime escapades seems more appropriate for his own page rather than a page on Belz Hasidism. Ditto for some of the modern-day Belz/Satmar wars which seems to have more to do with Yissachar Dov Rokeach than Belz, per se, although obviously the two bleed into each other.

I'm happy to do it if someone gives me the go-ahead. User:ShalomShlomo 01:57, 02 December 2005

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Belz dynastic succession
Should Mordechai of Bilgorai be in this section, seeing as how he was not actually a rebbe? ShalomShlomo 02:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Palestine versus Eretz Yisrael
84.9.49.114- Considering that at the time of the Belzer's immigration to E.Y., the region was still legally known as the British Mandate of Palestine, I think that it would be more appropriate to refer to it as such. British Eretz Yisrael makes no sense. Are we going to start changing various other biographies to refer to the land before WWI as "Ottoman Eretz Yisrael"? ShalomShlomo 05:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't read anything into it; it was my mistake. Please make the change as you see fit. Yoninah 21:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem, Yoninah, just trying to get/keep things consistent. ShalomShlomo 04:42, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Famous curse: there is a story that when Joseph Kennedy just before WWII used his influence as the U.S. Ambassador to the UK to prevent Jews in German held territories being granted visas (and safety) to the US, the Rebbe cursed him and his entire family for his actions - many believe that the problems of the family (down to the drunk driving accident of Patrick Kennedy) all date to that curse - does anyone have a source for that and want to place that in the story?Incorrect 01:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The Bach and Belz
hello everyone

Since the Bach was Rabbi in the city of Belz before rabbi Sholom Rokeach (the sar sholom), the minhagim of the belzer chassidus in many cases are according to the pesaqim of the bach- such as having the sefrei torah laying flat in the ark instead of standing up.

Wikicide 19:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Maaseh Rokeach
shouldn't he be mentioned somewhere?- its the belzer dynasty, and even if he wasnt rebbe in the town of belz the dynasty does bging with him...Wikicide 19:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Famous 1944 Belzer rebbe speech
I wonder (or do I?) why this article completely ignore the famous 1944 speech where the Belzer rebbe advised Jews to stay in Hungary since they would not be harmed by the Nazis. I think this is too important a point to miss in an article about Belz. I would like to hear opinions before adding this to the article.Danielcohn 22:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

What's a good reference for that? I've heard rumors that the text has been expunged in many places. Vonfraginoff 13:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The Belz World Center
I don't believe it is the largest shul in the world (albeit it's huge— I have seen it). Please provide evidence.--Redaktor 05:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

depends on how you define shul, and on how you define large, etc... "larges" doesn't usualy mean much of anything, anyone can claim it if you twist the definitions in your favor. (i remember once commenting that temple beit immanuel can't qualify as the largest jewish house of worship in the world because, after all, they don't even have sabbath prayers on Saturday.)85.65.175.90 (talk) 13:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

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"Hasidut"
There is a wiki article Hasidut but that doesn't help - what exactly does it mean here?--2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:C87:9B39:6009:E606 (talk) 19:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A Hasidut is a Chassidic group. Belz is a Chassidic group, led by a Rebbe. Yoninah (talk) 19:39, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you! Since you're here, is HaMidrash under the photo of the Great Synagogue a typo?--2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:C87:9B39:6009:E606 (talk) 20:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

'historically Crown of the Kingdom of Poland"
The way I read that sentence, it seemed as if the town of Belz was the CKP. Perhaps it could be written "the region historically known as the CKP" --2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:A4CD:8FEC:A8DA:65F5 (talk) 16:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

names in lede
Hello, the names in the lede are confusing. Why is the last name Rokeach used twice and then dropped? Only later do you discover that they are Rokeach as well. --2607:FEA8:D5DF:F3D9:A4CD:8FEC:A8DA:65F5 (talk) 17:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)